Buffalo has 3 stud LH. No thanks

Habs decline

Even if I considered this trade no way is Mitts included for 1yr of Sanhiem.

I would do a 1 for 1 swap but nothing more than that, so to answer your question of "How bad do Habs fans wat to get rid of Hoffman?" I would say he is like 3 or 4 on the list, so not that bad. He did play quite well towards the end of the year as well.

not nearly that bad....out produced JVR this year and he becomes a decently valuable TDL piece in '23 or '24 at 1/2 retained

Philly says hell no to the Mitt/ Sanh deal…

Nylander had very similar stats to Farabee at this age. Rather see if he develops

Hoff isn’t bad, but I’d rather keep JVR, since AV got fired JVR has out preformed Hoff and is better all round… the extra years are not worth it

Sabres decline. No point in trading for 3rd pairing LD.

Probably, and JVR becomes a valuable TDL piece this year though and sparked after the firing of AV… that dude just can’t coach lol

The worst thing about this is Sanhiem will probably be 1LD on Philly next year lol. But that’s just because he is a far better overall player than anyone we have on D

Nylander had more points in his 1st season than Farabee had in his first 2 seasons. That is not remotely similar

The Nylander for Farabee trade is interesting. Not interested in McEwen at all but just the first 2 one for is worth a look. Would need a much more in depth scouting report on him to really get past the idea stage and its a no overall because at best it's a lateral move with cost savings (and why take the risk that it's worse?) but it is interesting enough to not be an immediate hard no. Anyway he still has a decent amount of growing to do to hit Nylanders level so you'd really have to be a big believer in him for this to make sense.

The Covid years where Farabee played 3rd line one year Vs a guy who was put top 6 with an elite centre year one in a full season? Nice cherry picking stats

It's not at all cherry picking. Yeah Nylander played with Matthews in year one and had 61 points. However, it was on the 3rd line with 2 other rookies. Funny how all the rhetoric changes on here depending on the argument. Matthews was overrated according to everyone on here until his 3rd season. Then he was considered elite, then last year and this year he's finally getting some respect as a top top player. But if we are talking about a guy other fan bases want badly because they think they can get him cheap (Nylander), well now Matthews was elite from the start and that's why Nylander was good.

I bet Nylander's 80 points in 81 games this season was because he played with an elite centre like David Kampf.

So this would be a Strawman since I’ve never thought of Matthews as anything but elite.

But yeah, isn’t he 3rd line again now? Maybe going up against teams checking lines is where he thrives lol

My point was Farabee at 22 and Nylander at 22 had similar stats. I like Nylander a lot, I don’t really like Farabee, but I want to see Farabee for 1 full season without that cancer AV behind the bench… I think he at least gets 65 next year…

21 points in 58 games is not similar to 61 in 82. Those are the first years of both players in question. Farabee's 2nd season he had a 56 point pace which is still less than 61. And now Nylander is coming off a 80 point campaign. So no, there isn't a single way to say they are similar.

Unless similar in the fact that both are hockey players who have scored goals. Then yes they both are similar in that they play hockey.

At 22 Nylander had 27 points in 54 games (.500 PPG)

At 22 Farabee had 34 points in 63 games (.539 PPG)

At 21 Nylander had 61 points in 82 games (.69 PPG)

At 21 Farabee had 38 points in 55 games (.69 PPG)


This is what I’m saying… I’m not sure if I was being unclear earlier but I hope this helps

Calls me out for cherry picking stats and then hangs your whole hat on Nylander's shortened hold out season. Also you may want to check your math there bud.

61 in 82 is not .69 ppg. It's in fact .73 ppg. But if we want to keep comparing what about Farabee's 20 year old season? Or 19 year old season? What about his 23 year old season? Or does those years not matter because it makes your argument look absolutely ridiculous?

Farabee is still 22… so comparing a 23 season is kinda difficult… just like comparing a 19 season since he was in college

This is how player development works my dude

Nylander just scored 80 points in 81 games. He would be the best player on several teams. Farabee might be a good top 6 player some day.

Not saying he isn’t, just saying I want to see how Farabee develops, especially without AV who dragged down everyone’s numbers

Or the players just aren't as good as you guys think. I think a rebuild is in order for Philly.

A rebuild is definitely needed, but every single player dropping .300 PPG + when AV was coach and then jumping back up to pre AV numbers is kinda hard to debate.

Habs arent competing in the next 2 years. They arent dumping Hoffman's deal for JVR and certainly arent paying picks to do it. They are not a desperate contender fitting in payroll