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Forsberg sign and trade

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Équipe: 2022-23 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 18 mai 2022
Publié: 18 mai 2022
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    Rights to Filip Forsberg

    Say Forsberg and NSH can't come to an agreement, I'd imagine they'd want to get at least something for him? And I'd imagine BOS wants to give 8 year deal to lower AVV with their current situation.

    Maybe they offer DeBrusk up and NSH agrees to do the sign and trade? Idk just a random idea.
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    18 mai 2022 à 10 h 52
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    If Forsberg makes it clear he's not re-signing with them then this kind of action probably makes sense for the Preds, but I don't think same applies to Bruins. Paying DeBrusk for uncertain UFA rights seem pretty hefty to me. Not to mention I think this contract here is underpayment. I can see Forsberg getting $9M from free agency.
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    18 mai 2022 à 10 h 53
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    If Filip Forsberg wanted $8,350,000 x 8 years he'd already be resigned back with Nashville no taxes high taxes in Boston. He's going to want closer to $9,500,000 x 8 years to $10,000,000 x 8 years mark my words
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    18 mai 2022 à 10 h 55
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    If Forsberg makes it clear he's not re-signing with them then this kind of action probably makes sense for the Preds, but I don't think same applies to Bruins. Paying DeBrusk for uncertain UFA rights seem pretty hefty to me. Not to mention I think this contract here is underpayment. I can see Forsberg getting $9M from free agency.


    I get where they're going from though - if Forsberg gets $9M in UFA, he can only sign for 7 years, so the contract is worth $63M. With the extra year of term, even at a lower cap hit, he clears about $67M - so it does pay him more. I guess it boils down to if Forsberg thinks he could clear more than the $4M on his next contract when he's 34 - a big gamble!
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    18 mai 2022 à 10 h 58
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    Forsberg is LW, Bruins already have Marchand and Hall. Also, Janmark isn't better than Smith so rather keep the latter.
    18 mai 2022 à 11 h 3
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    I get where they're going from though - if Forsberg gets $9M in UFA, he can only sign for 7 years, so the contract is worth $63M. With the extra year of term, even at a lower cap hit, he clears about $67M - so it does pay him more. I guess it boils down to if Forsberg thinks he could clear more than the $4M on his next contract when he's 34 - a big gamble!


    While I get the money point, there's also one thing going for him if he becomes an UFA and that's the freedom of choice. He can sign anywhere. At that point I'd argue it holds more value in than a couple of million bucks in 7 years time do.

    He's going to want to commit to a place for probably the rest of his career. If it's not the Preds, I think he wants to keep his cards wide open.

    To add here, I think since Forsberg didn't play a single game in Bruins before the deadline he can only sign a 7 year deal with them even if they acquired his UFA rights. To get an 8 year deal for him now I think they need Preds to sign him and then trade him.
    18 mai 2022 à 11 h 18
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    While I get the money point, there's also one thing going for him if he becomes an UFA and that's the freedom of choice. He can sign anywhere. At that point I'd argue it holds more value in than a couple of million bucks in 7 years time do.

    He's going to want to commit to a place for probably the rest of his career. If it's not the Preds, I think he wants to keep his cards wide open.

    To add here, I think since Forsberg didn't play a single game in Bruins before the deadline he can only sign a 7 year deal with them even if they acquired his UFA rights. To get an 8 year deal for him now I think they need Preds to sign him and then trade him.


    As a minor tangent I'm surprised we don't see more of the NBA-type sign-and-trades in the NHL. If Forsberg is dead set on leaving Nashville, wouldn't he want the extra year wherever he's going? And wouldn't Nashville like to get -something- back for him instead of just letting him walk? I'm sure if he's on his way out, he's got a list in his head of where he does and doesn't want to go - why not let his agent speak with that first list of teams and see if there's any appetite for the sign-and-trade?
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    18 mai 2022 à 11 h 40
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    To quote one @ajp_18:

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    Would you bruin fans stop sending Folingo to Columbus. Columbus has no room for him with too many forwards needing ice time already and he wants to win a cup, that’s why he left Columbus in the first place, maybe he comes back and retires a blue jacket but that’s when his career is over, not now.
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    18 mai 2022 à 12 h 31
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    While I get the money point, there's also one thing going for him if he becomes an UFA and that's the freedom of choice. He can sign anywhere. At that point I'd argue it holds more value in than a couple of million bucks in 7 years time do.

    He's going to want to commit to a place for probably the rest of his career. If it's not the Preds, I think he wants to keep his cards wide open.

    To add here, I think since Forsberg didn't play a single game in Bruins before the deadline he can only sign a 7 year deal with them even if they acquired his UFA rights. To get an 8 year deal for him now I think they need Preds to sign him and then trade him.


    1- boston only trades for his rights if hes willing to sign with them. So if hes willing to sign with them then hed rather the extra money.
    2- as for the 8 year deal, it doesnt make a difference about ganes played. As long as he is still under contract the team that holds his rights can sign him to an 8 year deal.
    18 mai 2022 à 12 h 37
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    Quoting: Islesforthecup
    1- boston only trades for his rights if hes willing to sign with them. So if hes willing to sign with them then hed rather the extra money.
    2- as for the 8 year deal, it doesnt make a difference about ganes played. As long as he is still under contract the team that holds his rights can sign him to an 8 year deal.


    That so? Wonder why Hayes signed only 7 year deal then with PHI.
    18 mai 2022 à 12 h 42
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    Quoting: Islesforthecup
    1- boston only trades for his rights if hes willing to sign with them. So if hes willing to sign with them then hed rather the extra money.
    2- as for the 8 year deal, it doesnt make a difference about ganes played. As long as he is still under contract the team that holds his rights can sign him to an 8 year deal.


    Actually never mind that, they can't. This was a thing last year when Hamilton was about to reach free agency.

    A quote from the CBA

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    An SPC with a term of greater than seven (7) years, provided, however, that a Club may sign a Player to an SPC with a term of up to eight (8) years if that Player was on such Club’s Reserve List as of and since the most recent Trade Deadline. With respect to potential Unrestricted Free Agents only, the ability to re-sign a Player to an SPC of eight (8) years expires when the Player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent. With respect to a Player who becomes a Group 2 Restricted Free Agent, a Club may sign such Player to an SPC with a term of up to eight (8) years provided such Player was on such Club’s Reserve List and/or Restricted Free Agent List as of and since the most recent Trade Deadline.


    As far as I understand, player acquired after trade deadline cannot be signed to an 8-year deal.
    18 mai 2022 à 13 h 27
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    Actually never mind that, they can't. This was a thing last year when Hamilton was about to reach free agency.

    A quote from the CBA



    As far as I understand, player acquired after trade deadline cannot be signed to an 8-year deal.


    Thats only if they are an rfa.
    "With respect to potential Unrestricted Free Agents only, the ability to re-sign a Player to an SPC of eight (8) years expires when the Player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent." So before that player becomes an unrestricted free agent (on july 1st) he can be signed to an 8 year deal.
    18 mai 2022 à 13 h 33
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    Thats only if they are an rfa.
    "With respect to potential Unrestricted Free Agents only, the ability to re-sign a Player to an SPC of eight (8) years expires when the Player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent." So before that player becomes an unrestricted free agent (on july 1st) he can be signed to an 8 year deal.


    So if you acquire a rental RFA after deadline (for example during draft) you can't sign him to 8-year deal (the first sentence)?

    That sounds off to me.
    18 mai 2022 à 14 h 0
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    Thats only if they are an rfa.
    "With respect to potential Unrestricted Free Agents only, the ability to re-sign a Player to an SPC of eight (8) years expires when the Player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent." So before that player becomes an unrestricted free agent (on july 1st) he can be signed to an 8 year deal.


    Also wasn't this a thing with Hyman last year as well? People were saying Oilers need to pay something for TOR to sign Hyman for 8-year deal because they themselves weren't able to do so.
    18 mai 2022 à 15 h 19
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    So if you acquire a rental RFA after deadline (for example during draft) you can't sign him to 8-year deal (the first sentence)?

    That sounds off to me.


    No youre right that doesnt make sense but UFAs for sure dont have to be on the roster to sign them to an 8 year deal. Remember hyman last year and a potential trade to edmonton.
    18 mai 2022 à 15 h 23
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    Also wasn't this a thing with Hyman last year as well? People were saying Oilers need to pay something for TOR to sign Hyman for 8-year deal because they themselves weren't able to do so.


    Right bc toronto had him through the playoffs. Edmonton wanted to sign him to an 8 year deal so they were in trade talks with toronto right before free agency. In the end the price didnt work out and edmonton signed him to a 7 year deal bc he became a ufa.
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    18 mai 2022 à 15 h 29
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    So if you acquire a rental RFA after deadline (for example during draft) you can't sign him to 8-year deal (the first sentence)?

    That sounds off to me.


    No i figured it out. UFAs and regular RFAs if you have their rights you can offer them an 8 year deal (in the case of a UFA an extension before his contract expired) regardless of where they were at the TDL. The part about having to be on the team at the TDL only applies to group 2 RFAs. Group 2 RFAs are players who havent played enough pro games (so nhl, ahl and i think a couple more leagues are considered pro). Those guys arent able to be offersheeted and are different in a couple other ways from regular RFAs including their limited ability to sign 8 year deals. (Go to cba -> cba faq -> what is a 10.2(c) player)
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