Take out the unneeded stuff like DeBrusk and Studnica and add Boston's first to Carlo and you have Winnipeg's interest. It's unlikely Scheifele moves without a 1st coming back unless the players are more high end than offered here.

B’s fans will hate the idea of Carlo and a 1st for Scheifele. I think it’s quite close to fair. Bergeron would be an incredible mentor for Scheifele and could transform his defensive game.

Winnipeg could actually use Debrusk. They desperatly need secondary scoring, even more if they trade away Scheifele. If they absolutely want a 1st round pick, it's unfortunate but Boston should move on, not worth trading another 1st our window is closing.

I trade Carlo + 2023 1st in a heartbeat for Scheifele. Bruins can move Debrusk in a seperate deal, maybe acquire a couple high 2nd's for him or a late 1st. Or they can just keep him.

I know. Everyone fantasizes that they can get a high end player they want without giving up anything much of consequence. It just doesn't happen often, if at all.

Over Lysell or anything else Biston has, I think Carlo would be the target for the Jets IMO.

I think Carlo and that 1st would get the Jets talking for sure.

Scheifele only 29. With Pastrnak/Marchand/Mcavoy/Lindholm/Swayman and one more year of Bergeron the window is not closing. Scheifele takes over once Bergeron retires. Lysell almost ready also. Bruins biggest need is Center.

The first two trades are more than possible, but the last two are Highly unlikely. I can't see Boston trading Haula and Ullmark only a year after their signature unless there is a new GM in town.

yeah but when Bergeron retires, you have the same problem: no real 2nd line center.

easier to find than a 1C

No, he's not the center Boston needs.

They could, but with DeBrusk only having two years left before UFA, and being a left shot winger that doesn't really fill a hole along with Studnica being pretty much worth nothing as well as unneeded by the Jets, there would still need to be an add from Boston, so they may not like the price.

If Scheif is traded there is most likely a young prospect with a high ceiling coming back in the deal. Lysell would have to be in the deal probably over Studnicka

The issue with Debrusk is what hand he shoots. It's true the Jets need secondary scoring, but the only right hand shots in the lineup last year were Apples, Wheels, and Scheif.

I don’t necessarily agree. Jets expect to be a cap team next year and compete. They have a clear need of a top 4 RHD. A scheifele for Carlo/1st deal is almost exactly what they need to do. If they feel Perfetti can jump into that 2C role or even stastny, I feel like they could pull the trigger on it. I’d love to have maybe a scheifele + 2nd for Carlo/Lysell type deal but no way Boston goes for that.

It’s going to be really hard to get a top 4 RHD and a promising young prospect like lysell. Only chance of that is taking a lesser RHD to be able to also obtain a promising prospect. If the jets were planning on rebuilding I’d agree with you though.



I think he’s exactly the C Boston needs. Boston needs a true 2C. Scheifele is better than a 2C, scheifele behind Bergeron really solidifies bostons forward core. Not to mention the leaps and bounds scheifele would make learning from Bergeron. Bergeron and Kassidy could transform scheifeles game. I see it working out very well for Boston. Scheifele is an offensive dynamo and would work wonders with hall on the 2nd line.

He's also a defensive blackhole. In the WPG games I've watched (granted it's maybe 5-6 a year) he's a non-factor. He's not great in the dot either, so it's a hard pass on MS55 for me. Personally think the guys overrated as hell because people just looks at his point totals.

Like I mentioned, Bergeron and Kassidy would do wonders for scheifeles game. He’s not god awful when he’s actively engaged. It seems like he’s just lost himself in Winnipeg. In 17-18 he was an absolute beast. We’re now a few years removed with a disgruntled player who doesn’t buy into the teams system.

I genuinely believe that with the right coach scheifele can be an excellent 1C that can put up a PPG and be decent defensively. He’s not going to ever be great defensively, but his offensive output and effort defensively could outweigh the negatives.

Trust me I get what you’re saying, but a lot of it comes with the circumstances. I don’t think this is something that could actually happen, but I think it’s naive to look past what a change of scenery and playing with one of the best shutdown C’s of all time could do for a player like scheifele.

Boston is a defense first system that expects you play a 200ft game. MS55 is going to buy into that? I don't think so. As for his offense outweighed his defense. Over the last 3 years at 5v5 with MS55 on the ice the Jets....

Have been outshot - 17554 to 1669 (48%)
Have been outscored - 167 to 166 (49%)
Have been outchanced - 1675 to 1524 (47%)
Have been outchanced in HD area - 760 to 601 (44%)

^that's with MS55 having a 61% offensive start% which is pretty high.

I hope WPG gets something they like for MS55, I just hope the Bruins stay as far away as possible because he'll get chewed up and spit out after 1yr here.

I think this team is worse, and much worse long term.

Find one comparable instance where the return was a top four D. One. Just find one.

I think that he would buy into BOS system. He’s struggled in Winnipeg and seems like he’s lost himself. I’m just trying to make a case for him because he’s an outstanding player when he’s engaged. Boston has the type of culture and leadership that IMO could change his career.

But trust me I get what your saying. I’ve had the unfortunate displeasure of watching his defensive deficiencies unfold.

Find one comparable instance where the return for a 6 time PPG 1C on a great cintract was less. One. Just find one.

Sure. Eichel. And hes better with better term than Scheifele.

Its all of them. Every single one. You’re asking for an unprecedented return. Its not going to happen because Scheifele isn’t that good.

I knew you would pick a situation that isn't comparable in any way. Eichel has only been PPG twice, has an awful contract, had a serious injury that he wanted controversial surgery on and demanded a trade after saying he was done in Buffalo.

None of these issues apply to Scheifele. You have a tendency to be a little homeristic in your evaluations, but usually you're better than this and have a more level headed approach. I meant a serious example.

-Eichel had only been a PPG for 4 seasons (1 if you really want to be strict and say PPG means greater than 1.0 PPG).

-Eichel got back a top 6 forward, a recent 1st rounder with top-line potential, a future 1st, and a future 2nd as a 25 year old with an incredibly difficult contract (5x$10M) for any other team to absorb. Scheifele is a couple years older, but has a much more manageable deal (2x$6.125M), and has been a legit PPG player for the last -six- seasons in a row. I don't think it's crazy for Scheifele's return to be in the same ballpark as the Eichel return.

-As far as comps, you could easily point to the Elias Lindholm/Noah Hanifin for Dougie Hamilton/Adam Fox/Michael Ferland trades as deals were a top 6 center went out with a top 4 D coming back. You could also make arguments for the Derek Stepan trade that brought Tony DeAngelo to the Rangers after 1st rounder Tony D made his debut for the Coyotes, or the Matt Duchene trade where a recently-debuted Sam Girard came back to the Avalanche. DeAngelo & Girard may not have been established as Carlo is now, but they were young, recent 1st/2nd round picks who most scouts projected to be top 4 very soon.