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1 and 33 for Dubois and 14

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There was rumors Dubois could be traded for MTL 2022 1st if it was 3rd overall. So i guess PLD value is a 3rd overall.

Looking at draft pick trade value charts, 1 and 33 for 3 (PLD) and 14 is fair for both teams in term of value.

Not trying to rush a MTL rebuild, if MTL trade Petry and Dvorak this summer, they're still a bottom 5 team.

I put Price on LTIR, he said he won't play many games next year if his knee still hurt. Keeping cap space in case he's back, but i think he's going on LTIR sooner than later.
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    12 mai 2022 à 19 h 53
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    shane wright will probably be on that level in a couple years unnecessary
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    12 mai 2022 à 19 h 58
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    Montreal has a lot of work to do to compete. Take the ELC over dubois
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 0
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Montreal has a lot of work to do to compete. Take the ELC over dubois


    Yeah, but MTL gets Dubois and another top prospect at 14, who will be an ELC in 1-2 years.
    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 0
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    Quoting: dickie_boon
    shane wright will probably be on that level in a couple years unnecessary


    Exactly and he will be on an ELC for 3 years while Dubois is making big money... this is the same mistake as trading Sergachev for Drouin there are other cap implications which cost MTL Radulov and Markov that year, let alone trading their top prospect.

    This would be the worst thing they could do with this pick.

    Edit: Also if you use the proper year there is no way they fit Dubois under the cap without making other moves (they don't know as of now if Price will be on LTIR)... cap implications need to be considered in a trade like this, even if they make it work they won't be competitive, you don't want to be maxed out at the cap when you aren't ready to compete.
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 0
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    Quoting: dickie_boon
    shane wright will probably be on that level in a couple years unnecessary


    If Wright is to be on same level as Dubois, wouldn't you rather have him and another top prospect at 14?
    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 1
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    Quoting: Shanesaw9
    Exactly and he will be on an ELC for 3 years while Dubois is making big money... this is the same mistake as trading Sergachev for Drouin there are other cap implications which cost MTL Radulov and Markov that year, let alone trading their top prospect.

    This would be the worst thing they could do with this pick.


    Dubois is as good as Suzuki, and MTL add another top prospect at 14. Not sure that's the worst.
    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 2
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    Certainly no team is giving up the first overall pick. PLD was the 49th highest scoring centre.....a solid 2nd line centre.
    Virtually no team....at least most good teams...or late first rounders have the cap to acquire Perty without giving cap. Petry's "trade" value isn't that high.
    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 9
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    Quoting: palhal
    Certainly no team is giving up the first overall pick. PLD was the 49th highest scoring centre.....a solid 2nd line centre.
    Virtually no team....at least most good teams...or late first rounders have the cap to acquire Perty without giving cap. Petry's "trade" value isn't that high.


    I think Dallas could be a fit if they lose Klingberg. There aren't many top 4 RD's in free agency so there would be a market for Petry who was back to his 50 pt pace under St. Louis.

    MTL is already operating in LTIR so they could take back Bishop and Khudobin (who may be playing again next season). This would free up $3.3M in cap space for Dallas and get them out of LTIR so they can accumulate cap space & avoid performance bonus overages.
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 20
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    Jets Decline
    Dubois isn’t available, if he was this isn’t close
    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 22
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    Yeah, but MTL gets Dubois and another top prospect at 14, who will be an ELC in 1-2 years.


    But Dubois isn't that good (compared to 1OA), will be expensive and is already 24-25
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 23
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    Quoting: BatVader
    Jets Decline
    Dubois isn’t available, if he was this isn’t close


    It's the 1st overall pick. Good god
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 26
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    Quoting: palhal
    Certainly no team is giving up the first overall pick. PLD was the 49th highest scoring centre.....a solid 2nd line centre.
    Virtually no team....at least most good teams...or late first rounders have the cap to acquire Perty without giving cap. Petry's "trade" value isn't that high.


    Buffalo with Florida's 1st, Dallas 1st, Pittsburg 1st, Nashville 1st. I could also see other team offer a prospect worth a 1st.

    I guess we'll see this summer who's right and who's wrong, just like when Chiarot, Lehkonen or Pacioretty got traded.
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 28
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    No to Dubois he isn’t that good and he will command 7M+
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 29
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    But Dubois isn't that good (compared to 1OA), will be expensive and is already 24-25


    He's 23, and is as good as Suzuki. MTL will have cap space this summer, doesn't really matter to pay Dubois 8M. And MTL get another top prospect on a ELC at 14.
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 29
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Buffalo with Florida's 1st, Dallas 1st, Pittsburg 1st, Nashville 1st. I could also see other team offer a prospect worth a 1st.

    I guess we'll see this summer who's right and who's wrong, just like when Chiarot, Lehkonen or Pacioretty got traded.


    Petry is going nowhere for a 1st. Buffalo isnt interested at all
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 29
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    It's the 1st overall pick. Good god


    And?
    Wright is an unproven player that you hope becomes Dubois.
    1OA is an overrated title… many don’t pan out or struggle to pan out… Laf was a 1OA… I wouldn’t take him for Dubois either.
    Jets are the ones trading from strength because we have zero interest in moving Dubois… so you’ll have to make it worth it.
    1OA + Barron + Ylonen and we wouldn’t be adding to Dubois… if that’s a no… that’s perf3vtly fine with us… we’ll keep Dubois with a smile
    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 29
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    Quoting: Poehling
    No to Dubois he isn’t that good and he will command 7M+


    He's as good as Suzuki. The 8M a year contract he will sign this summer will prove that.
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 30
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    And?
    Wright is an unproven player that you hope becomes Dubois.
    1OA is an overrated title… many don’t pan out or struggle to pan out… Laf was a 1OA… I wouldn’t take him for Dubois either.
    We are the ones trading from strength because we have zero interest in moving Dubois… so you’ll have to make it worth it.
    1OA + Barron + Ylonen


    I think anyone with a brain would say that it's way too much for Dubois. Even the 1OA is too much.
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 32
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    I think anyone with a brain would say that it's way too much for Dubois. Even the 1OA is too much.


    “And?
    Wright is an unproven player that you hope becomes Dubois.
    1OA is an overrated title… many don’t pan out or struggle to pan out… Laf was a 1OA… I wouldn’t take him for Dubois either.
    We are the ones trading from strength because we have zero interest in moving Dubois… so you’ll have to make it worth it.
    1OA + Barron + Ylonen”
    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 37
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    Modifié 13 mai 2022 à 22 h 19
    Not saying I agree or disagree with this deal as a Jets fan but let’s not jump the gun on Wright being better than PLD in a few year. Lots of 1st OA’s don’t pan out in reaching their expected potential.
    That said, do I think Montreal should trade us their 1st for PLD, no. I’d love that 1st and I hate Montreal but PLD doesn’t suit their timeline. If anything, if Montreal doesn’t want the 1st, I think they should trade down and grab Slav, Nemec or Jiricek and another good prospect or pick. The gap between the T3 isn’t that big
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 39
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    Quoting: BatVader
    “And?
    Wright is an unproven player that you hope becomes Dubois.
    1OA is an overrated title… many don’t pan out or struggle to pan out… Laf was a 1OA… I wouldn’t take him for Dubois either.
    We are the ones trading from strength because we have zero interest in moving Dubois… so you’ll have to make it worth it.
    1OA + Barron + Ylonen”


    I got this house. It's worth 400K, but if you want it, you're gonna have to give me a million dollar for it.

    Could have sold it for 500K, made a decent profit, but looks like i'm gonna keep the house for life instead.

    Selling from a position of strenght doesn't mean you're getting twice the value for it.

    I think even you could see Habs are better with Wright, Barron and Ylonen instead of Dubois.
    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 39
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    Not saying I agree or disagree with this deal as a Jets fan but let’s not jump the gun on Wright being better than PLD in a few year. Lots of 1st OA’s don’t pan out in reaching their expected potential.
    That said, do I think Montreal should trade us their 1st for PLD, no. I’d love that 1st and I hate Montreal but PLD doesn’t suit their timeline. If anything, if Montreal doesn’t want the 1st, I think they should trade down and grab Slav, Nemec or Jiricek and another good prospect or pick. The gal between the T3 isn’t that big


    Trade is 1 and 33 for PLD and 14.
    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 41
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Trade is 1 and 33 for PLD and 14.


    My comment wasn’t based on the trade (my first comment was literally that I wasn’t against or for) but more along the lines of comments assuming Wright will be better in a few years and that Montreal would be better off trading down
    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 42
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    Throw in Dvorak and Jets add something and it's good.
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    12 mai 2022 à 20 h 43
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    I wouldn't take Petry unless he came with draft picks and 50% retained, he has 10x more give aways than take aways
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