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Rumor has it these 1st round picks are available for roster players due to the lack of depth of this draft. Assuming the only roster players not available from the Habs are Suzuki and Caufield, what would be the cost to acquire each of these picks. Remember only roster players are reportedly of interest so no 1st's or top prospects and only draft picks or B/C level prospects to balance the deals.
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Rumor is this pick is available for a roster player to assist in retool to help get back to playoffs.
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Jersey is looking for young top 6 power forward type of winger or top 4 D man
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Same rumor as the Devils top 6 winger or top 4 D man.
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2782 500 000 $85 618 393 $1 132 500 $1 990 000 $-3 118 393 $
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12 mai 2022 à 17 h 29
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Quoting: Db1899
Romanov isn’t worth the 13th pick and he isn’t what the isles need. The only player that would interest the isles is caufield and the Habs are not moving him.




That JFresh tweet was dated Feb 19th (9 days after the coaching change) at a time when Romy was barely playing 15 minutes a night. At seasons end he was averaging 20+ minutes and was much better then when those stat were produced.I guarantee if you found updated stats he would be somewhere around the 50th percentile for WAR
12 mai 2022 à 17 h 31
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That JFresh tweet was dated Feb 19th (9 days after the coaching change) at a time when Romy was barely playing 15 minutes a night. At seasons end he was averaging 20+ minutes and was much better then when those stat were produced.I guarantee if you found updated stats he would be somewhere around the 50th percentile for WAR


its not the WAR im going off of, the point is Romanov struggles with puck moving which has nothing to do with coaching.
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12 mai 2022 à 17 h 33
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Good.

If the player you draft turns into a bust or Florida is not as good next year, don't complain and ask for a refund.


I don't expect Florida to be the President's trophy winner but I see them as a playoff team, so no worries there and as for the prospect I would take Jiricek with the pick (if still available) to build up our pool of RD prospects. If he misses, so be it but you have to have darts to throw at the wall right lol.
12 mai 2022 à 17 h 34
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its not the WAR im going off of, the point is Romanov struggles with puck moving which has nothing to do with coaching.


He doesn't though, have you never seen him skate or pass? He is actually quite good at both.
12 mai 2022 à 17 h 41
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He doesn't though, have you never seen him skate or pass? He is actually quite good at both.


Romanov is a great skater and he's solid defensively. His issue is decision making, if he thought the game at a higher level he'd be a better puck mover. I still think hell be a decent #4 D but I don't think he's a good fit for the isles right now.
12 mai 2022 à 17 h 45
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I don't expect Florida to be the President's trophy winner but I see them as a playoff team, so no worries there and as for the prospect I would take Jiricek with the pick (if still available) to build up our pool of RD prospects. If he misses, so be it but you have to have darts to throw at the wall right lol.


1. Jiricek will be taken at either 5 or 6 by Philly/Columbus.



2. Ottawa was seen as a playoff team in 2017 as well as San Jose in 2018.



3. The 2023 draft class is supposedly deeper than the one for 2022.

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/seravalli-nhl-teams-are-asking-for-2023-draft-picks-over-2022/



4. For all I know, you could draft the next Kotkaniemi lol.

It's why draft picks are a tad overrated imo.
12 mai 2022 à 18 h 37
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I don't think MTL would do Romanov and 33 for 13. Giving Romanov to climb 20 spots in a weak draft would be an overpay. Edmundson would be a fair price to climb 20 spots.

I think if NYI want to win now, Eddy would be a better fit. He would be the perfect partner for Dobson, and is a playoffs beast.

At 3.5M, he easily fit on your cap, and play top 4 minutes for the next 2 years. And he'll be 30 when his contract ends, you could sign him to an extension.

I know it's not a "sexy" move, but getting a 6'5 vet to play with Dobson, only to move 20 spots down, would be a good move for the Isles.


Edmundson is a fine player, but he's not "drop from the lottery to the top of the 2nd" fine. There are gonna be guys like Mike Reilly or Dmitry Kulikov available for mid-round picks, and if they really want to get a big body to play next to Dobson, they can throw a mid-round pick at Boston for 6'4" Derek Forbort instead of Reilly or sign 6'6" Nikita Zadorov for a similar AAV in UFA. Even if you think Edmundson is better than those guys, I think you'd have to agree that the difference in acquisition cost more than makes up for it.
12 mai 2022 à 18 h 39
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Cole Caufield for 2nd OA

Or we’ll just trade it elsewhere
12 mai 2022 à 18 h 52
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Just because MTL was dumb enough to trade a 1st for a 3rd line C does not mean Dvorak is worth 7th OA in anyway shape or form
12 mai 2022 à 19 h 3
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Giving up the isles 13 pick to get Joel Edmundson would go down as one of the worst trades of the last decade. They don't need a 6'5 vet to play with Dobson, they can give a 3rd for Mike Reilly or sign someone like Ian Cole or Kulak in free agency.


Yeah, the trade was Edmundson and 33 for 13. And he's way better than Cole, Reilly or Kulak. He's probably better than those 3 combined. He's as good as Chiarot.
12 mai 2022 à 19 h 10
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
Edmundson is a fine player, but he's not "drop from the lottery to the top of the 2nd" fine. There are gonna be guys like Mike Reilly or Dmitry Kulikov available for mid-round picks, and if they really want to get a big body to play next to Dobson, they can throw a mid-round pick at Boston for 6'4" Derek Forbort instead of Reilly or sign 6'6" Nikita Zadorov for a similar AAV in UFA. Even if you think Edmundson is better than those guys, I think you'd have to agree that the difference in acquisition cost more than makes up for it.


You could pay a mid rounder for one of those guys, or sign one of those UFA. But Eddy is way better than them.

MTL could give Calgary's 2022 1st instead of 33th overall, but giving a 1st and Eddy just for a higher 1st rounder, not sure Habs does it.

They could just wait 2024 TDL and trade Edmundson for a Chiarot-like return.
12 mai 2022 à 19 h 23
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Yeah, the trade was Edmundson and 33 for 13. And he's way better than Cole, Reilly or Kulak. He's probably better than those 3 combined. He's as good as Chiarot.


Edmundson is not better than any of those 3 defenseman. Chiarot isn't good.
12 mai 2022 à 19 h 27
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Edmundson is not better than any of those 3 defenseman. Chiarot isn't good.


Yeah, you're probably one of those "Chiarot is bad and isn't worth a 1st" kind of guy. And never admit he was wrong when it happened.

Kulak was MTL 7th D most of the time, while Edmundston was playing 20+ minutes a game.

Reilly also played for MTL, and was healthy scratch most of the time.

Ian Cole is a mess.
12 mai 2022 à 19 h 43
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Yeah, you're probably one of those "Chiarot is bad and isn't worth a 1st" kind of guy. And never admit he was wrong when it happened.

Kulak was MTL 7th D most of the time, while Edmundston was playing 20+ minutes a game.

Reilly also played for MTL, and was healthy scratch most of the time.

Ian Cole is a mess.


Oh I knew Chiarot was going to return a 1st, that doesn't mean he's good. There are a lot of players who are overrated.

That's just a false statement - Kulak was not the 7D most of the time. TOI is irrelevant, it's not like MTL has had good coaching before MSL

Reilly has been great for Boston, again it's irrelevant what he did in MTL. Right now hes a solid two way defenseman who can move the puck.

Ian Cole has been great for Carolina

Edmundson is the definition of a pylon.
12 mai 2022 à 19 h 56
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Yeah, you're probably one of those "Chiarot is bad and isn't worth a 1st" kind of guy. And never admit he was wrong when it happened.

Kulak was MTL 7th D most of the time, while Edmundston was playing 20+ minutes a game.

Reilly also played for MTL, and was healthy scratch most of the time.

Ian Cole is a mess.


Edmundson only played 20 minutes a night because he basically debuted this season as soon as they were trading Chiarot and Kulak. He missed the first 2/3 of the year with a back injury that his GM wouldn't commit to saying whether or not would need surgery to correct - I'm sure a lingering back injury isn't going to have any effect on a taller, physical player like him. Even when he was healthy, his analytics put him in some terrible company - his 82 game pace would've had his defensive impact being 63 goals below average. This is the guy you're saying the Islanders should be open to trading out of #13 to get?

Ian Cole's GSVA had him performing as a top pair defenseman on Carolina (4.6 GSVA/82 GP this season). Mike Reilly wasn't as good but still had strong top 4 results (1.9 GSVA/82). Even Montreal's 7th D Brett Kulak put up defensive numbers that ranked him in the 70th percentile of all defensemen.
12 mai 2022 à 20 h 20
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Edmundson only played 20 minutes a night because he basically debuted this season as soon as they were trading Chiarot and Kulak. He missed the first 2/3 of the year with a back injury that his GM wouldn't commit to saying whether or not would need surgery to correct - I'm sure a lingering back injury isn't going to have any effect on a taller, physical player like him. Even when he was healthy, his analytics put him in some terrible company - his 82 game pace would've had his defensive impact being 63 goals below average. This is the guy you're saying the Islanders should be open to trading out of #13 to get?

Ian Cole's GSVA had him performing as a top pair defenseman on Carolina (4.6 GSVA/82 GP this season). Mike Reilly wasn't as good but still had strong top 4 results (1.9 GSVA/82). Even Montreal's 7th D Brett Kulak put up defensive numbers that ranked him in the 70th percentile of all defensemen.


Edmundson was part of the big D that carried MTL to the SCF. I don't like advanced stats, especially in hockey, because it shows so little about a player.

Eddy won a cup in St-Louis in 2019, and their analytics were also terrible. Same for MTL, and he helped them reach the SCF last year. He's a top 4 playoffs beast.

Ian Cole has been a mess in every team he played for, except this year in Carolina.

Reilly and Kulak were 7th D when they played for the Habs. Maybe they are better now, but i wouldn't rely on them to play top 4 in the playoffs.

I get that he's probably not worth moving 13 to 33, but he's way better than those other D. His value is equal to Chiarot, and look what MTL traded him for.
12 mai 2022 à 20 h 40
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Edmundson was part of the big D that carried MTL to the SCF. I don't like advanced stats, especially in hockey, because it shows so little about a player.

Eddy won a cup in St-Louis in 2019, and their analytics were also terrible. Same for MTL, and he helped them reach the SCF last year. He's a top 4 playoffs beast.

Ian Cole has been a mess in every team he played for, except this year in Carolina.

Reilly and Kulak were 7th D when they played for the Habs. Maybe they are better now, but i wouldn't rely on them to play top 4 in the playoffs.

I get that he's probably not worth moving 13 to 33, but he's way better than those other D. His value is equal to Chiarot, and look what MTL traded him for.


First off, Chiarot was traded at the deadline, and it's pretty well known that deadline prices =/= summer prices. Florida overpays because 1)they need him, 2)they don't want Toronto/Pittsburgh/whoever they're facing in the playoffs to get him, and 3)Montreal retained 50% to make the cap work for them to make other TDL moves.

Brendon Dillon is an incredibly similar player to Chiarot (LHD, big & physical, not a huge offensive threat, and 30 years old when traded) and he got two 2nd rounders last summer. Despite what some folks around here have tried to argue, two 2nd round picks are not equal to a 1st. If Montreal had tried to move Chiarot last summer, when the demand for immediate upgrades is less, he probably would've brought back that type of package. So if you're going to compare Edmundson's value to Chiarot, you've got to think you're only getting a 1st rounder back if you hold him til the deadline & retain half his salary.

And lastly - while I'm sure he was an important part of those two teams that made it to the Final, it doesn't change the fact that he is coming off a season mostly lost to the type of injury that can continue to cause issues down the road without surgery - and if he gets surgery, I wouldn't expect him to be much of an asset this coming season anyway. Back injuries on a 6'5", physical player should be a huge red flag to any GM thinking about picking him up, especially at the high acquisition cost being thrown around here.
12 mai 2022 à 20 h 49
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First off, Chiarot was traded at the deadline, and it's pretty well known that deadline prices =/= summer prices. Florida overpays because 1)they need him, 2)they don't want Toronto/Pittsburgh/whoever they're facing in the playoffs to get him, and 3)Montreal retained 50% to make the cap work for them to make other TDL moves.

Brendon Dillon is an incredibly similar player to Chiarot (LHD, big & physical, not a huge offensive threat, and 30 years old when traded) and he got two 2nd rounders last summer. Despite what some folks around here have tried to argue, two 2nd round picks are not equal to a 1st. If Montreal had tried to move Chiarot last summer, when the demand for immediate upgrades is less, he probably would've brought back that type of package. So if you're going to compare Edmundson's value to Chiarot, you've got to think you're only getting a 1st rounder back if you hold him til the deadline & retain half his salary.

And lastly - while I'm sure he was an important part of those two teams that made it to the Final, it doesn't change the fact that he is coming off a season mostly lost to the type of injury that can continue to cause issues down the road without surgery - and if he gets surgery, I wouldn't expect him to be much of an asset this coming season anyway. Back injuries on a 6'5", physical player should be a huge red flag to any GM thinking about picking him up, especially at the high acquisition cost being thrown around here.


Looking at draft pick trade value charts, and two 2nd rounders are pretty much worth a 1st (Depends on the rank). Last summer, NSH traded 40 and 51 for 27.

I agree, it's probably better for MTL to wait until 2024 TDL, and trade him for the same return they got for Chiarot.

Edmundson managed to avoid surgery for his back, i think he's good to go for the future.
12 mai 2022 à 20 h 58
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Looking at draft pick trade value charts, and two 2nd rounders are pretty much worth a 1st (Depends on the rank of course).

I agree, it's probably better for MTL to wait until 2024 TDL, and trade him for the same return they got for Chiarot.

Edmundson managed to avoid surgery for his back, i think he's good to go for the future.


Back injuries just put the fear of God into me for athletes - they can be just so unpredictable. Tear your MCL? We know what the surgery is, we know what the rehab is, we know how long til you're back. But mess up your back? It's all voodoo - just look at Mike Bossy for all the reason why Islanders fans get their antennas up when they hear about back problems.

But yeah, if he's good, I think the move is to showcase his health through TDL and move him to a contender for the Chiarot special.
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12 mai 2022 à 22 h 25
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1. Jiricek will be taken at either 5 or 6 by Philly/Columbus.



2. Ottawa was seen as a playoff team in 2017 as well as San Jose in 2018.



3. The 2023 draft class is supposedly deeper than the one for 2022.

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/seravalli-nhl-teams-are-asking-for-2023-draft-picks-over-2022/



4. For all I know, you could draft the next Kotkaniemi lol.

It's why draft picks are a tad overrated imo.


I agree with all of the above, I know Jiricek could be gone at 5 or 6 but I figured this could be a draft day trade and IF he was available then we make the trade if not life goes on as usual lol
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12 mai 2022 à 22 h 52
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I agree just wonder if multiple teams are worried about the odds of Slaf flaming out. Cooley and Slaf have really high ceilings but they could just as easily flame out hence the reason I think this rumor surfaced. In all honesty though I don't see too many teams trading their 1sts this year was just looking at options.


Why would teams be worried about that? You could question any prospect in NHL history and ask if they will flame out, that's why teams scout these top prospects like crazy. He is going to be a very good player, even I can see that after watching him man-handle 25-30 year olds in the Olympics. Kid will be good
13 mai 2022 à 0 h 14
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Why would teams be worried about that? You could question any prospect in NHL history and ask if they will flame out, that's why teams scout these top prospects like crazy. He is going to be a very good player, even I can see that after watching him man-handle 25-30 year olds in the Olympics. Kid will be good


Hey don't ask me lol, I was just quoting the articles. There is speculation that some GM's aren't big on anyone outside of the top 3-5 and even then there is no clear concensus on who the 1st OVA should be between the top 5. That is what is driving these GM's to potentially trade their 1st for more immediate help. IDK if it will happen but it's out there lol.
13 mai 2022 à 13 h 7
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Only assets Ottawa would be ready to work a deal for their incoming 7th OA pick are :

Cole Caufield, Nick Suzuki, Montreal's 1st OA pick.

No point in lowering the quality of the asset in a quantity package


Quoting: sensonfire
If we're trading our 1st round pick, the only player we could be interested in is Dvorak.

And Montreal would have to add quite a bit.


Was this a joke? Because I don't see the need for Dvorak in Ottawa... I mean, we have Colin White that we might buy out because no spot for him and he makes too much money

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its not the WAR im going off of, the point is Romanov struggles with puck moving which has nothing to do with coaching.


Romanov reminds me of Alexei Emelin. Physical russian stay-at-home D-man
13 mai 2022 à 13 h 17
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Quoting: Xspyrit
Only assets Ottawa would be ready to work a deal for their incoming 7th OA pick are :

Cole Caufield, Nick Suzuki, Montreal's 1st OA pick.

No point in lowering the quality of the asset in a quantity package




Was this a joke? Because I don't see the need for Dvorak in Ottawa... I mean, we have Colin White that we might buy out because no spot for him and he makes too much money



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1. We were interested in Dvorak last offseason.


2. Dvorak has performed about the same this season as with Arizona last season.


3. IMO Dvorak is still worth what Montreal paid for him.


4. For our 7th overall pick, I would definitely give it up for Dvorak + Calgary's 1st for this year + Florida's 1st for next year.


5. Aside from Caufield, Suzuki and 1st OA, Dvorak is the only other piece that should interest us in a trade involving 7th OA.
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4. For our 7th overall pick, I would definitely give it up for Dvorak + Calgary's 1st for this year + Florida's 1st for next year.


This is a bit more interesting but I'd still rather have the 7th OA pick and Colin White instead of 2 late firsts and Dvorak

Plus we don't need centers.
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