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Flames fans: what would you say the cost is for Matthew tkachuk
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12 mai 2022 à 8 h 20
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His QO is 9 mil, so he’s gonna get that minimum. But he’s probably thinking he won’t take less than 10 with term given his comments about Brady’s negotiation

As for asset cost, you can start with 2nd overall and another good piece IMO.
12 mai 2022 à 8 h 35
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Not remotely available unless he won't sign long term with Calgary. In which case #2 ++
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12 mai 2022 à 8 h 38
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His QO is 9 mil, so he’s gonna get that minimum. But he’s probably thinking he won’t take less than 10 with term given his comments about Brady’s negotiation

As for asset cost, you can start with 2nd overall and another good piece IMO.


2nd overall - check
Good piece - what does Calgary need (in a post-Tkachuk world?).

Low floor prospects - Zetterlund or Foote?
High ceiling prospects - Gritsyuk or Salminen?
Decent veterans - Zacha or Wood?
Bad veteran - Tatar?
Futures - more picks?
12 mai 2022 à 8 h 38
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Quoting: jnowariak
His QO is 9 mil, so he’s gonna get that minimum. But he’s probably thinking he won’t take less than 10 with term given his comments about Brady’s negotiation

As for asset cost, you can start with 2nd overall and another good piece IMO.


What about 2nd overall, holtz, and Shakir
12 mai 2022 à 8 h 42
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Not remotely available unless he won't sign long term with Calgary. In which case #2 ++


Say worst case scenario, Tkachuk says he wants out. Gaudreau, Mangiapane have resigned, the rest of the band is back together.

What would they want? I could see two scenarios.

1. They would want futures and would use the cap space to sign a Forsberg or someone to replace MT.

2. They would want to return the most like-for-like that they could.

Not sure NJD could satisfy #2
12 mai 2022 à 8 h 44
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What about 2nd overall, holtz, and Shakir


Too much. I am very bullish on Shakir and that he plays RD makes him harder to move.

I was thinking something like 2022 1st + 2024 1st + Nolan Foote (all assuming he comes with extension).
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12 mai 2022 à 9 h 0
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2nd overall - check
Good piece - what does Calgary need (in a post-Tkachuk world?).

Low floor prospects - Zetterlund or Foote?
High ceiling prospects - Gritsyuk or Salminen?
Decent veterans - Zacha or Wood?
Bad veteran - Tatar?
Futures - more picks?


Cooley to start. Like there is no scenario where #2 isn't involved if Hughes is off limits
12 mai 2022 à 9 h 4
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Say worst case scenario, Tkachuk says he wants out. Gaudreau, Mangiapane have resigned, the rest of the band is back together.

What would they want? I could see two scenarios.

1. They would want futures and would use the cap space to sign a Forsberg or someone to replace MT.

2. They would want to return the most like-for-like that they could.

Not sure NJD could satisfy #2


You dont replace Tkachuk, that's just not a thing. He is the definition of a team identity. Like if Jersey traded for him he would be the face of the franchise, not the bothers, not Hischier, not Dougie.

I think Devils should look into trading down for Laine instead. Then draft Slafkovsky at like 5
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12 mai 2022 à 9 h 13
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You dont replace Tkachuk, that's just not a thing. He is the definition of a team identity. Like if Jersey traded for him he would be the face of the franchise, not the bothers, not Hischier, not Dougie.

I think Devils should look into trading down for Laine instead. Then draft Slafkovsky at like 5


The Devils don’t need laine though. They already have a laine type in holtz who will most likely be a better player all around.

The devils also don’t need Cooley imo, a small C isn’t really at the top of the priority list for NJ. I think they draft slaf at 2 and it’ll surprise some people. Unless they know 10000000% they can trade back 2-3 picks and get him. Which is never guaranteed.

But yeah agreed on tkachuk. He is an identity player and would change the Nj franchise.
12 mai 2022 à 9 h 22
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The Devils don’t need laine though. They already have a laine type in holtz who will most likely be a better player all around.

The devils also don’t need Cooley imo, a small C isn’t really at the top of the priority list for NJ. I think they draft slaf at 2 and it’ll surprise some people. Unless they know 10000000% they can trade back 2-3 picks and get him. Which is never guaranteed.

But yeah agreed on tkachuk. He is an identity player and would change the Nj franchise.


I dont think drafting Slafkovsky should surprise anyone. He is exactly what NJ needs.
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12 mai 2022 à 9 h 27
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The Devils don’t need laine though. They already have a laine type in holtz who will most likely be a better player all around.

The devils also don’t need Cooley imo, a small C isn’t really at the top of the priority list for NJ. I think they draft slaf at 2 and it’ll surprise some people. Unless they know 10000000% they can trade back 2-3 picks and get him. Which is never guaranteed.

But yeah agreed on tkachuk. He is an identity player and would change the Nj franchise.


Holtz: 9 games - 2 points (both assists), 6'0, 192 lbs (not enough info on his game impact but likely not a power forward).
Laine: ppg power forward, 40 goal scorer, and line driver. 6'5, 206 lbs.

These 2 players are not similar, they might both be goal scorers but outside of that they are completely different. Holtz is definitely a solid prospect but he is more like a Kyle Connor, Brock Boeser like goal scorer.

I do think they could trade down though as I bet someone would love to jump up to draft Cooley ahead of Arizona. I don't see any of Arizona, Seattle, Philly, or Columbus taking Slaf though.

Also take it from someone who had 3 40 goal scorer's and 4 guys with at least 35 goals on their team this year. Also being a tampa fan; Point, Kuch, and Stammer all capable of 40+ goals too. It's something really nice to have in your arsenal
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12 mai 2022 à 9 h 35
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You dont replace Tkachuk, that's just not a thing. He is the definition of a team identity. Like if Jersey traded for him he would be the face of the franchise, not the bothers, not Hischier, not Dougie.

I think Devils should look into trading down for Laine instead. Then draft Slafkovsky at like 5


I don’t see anyone other than Jack & Nico as faces of NJD franchise for long time. Dougie certainly isn’t. Luke is still in school.

If we traded #2 for Laine/#6, would be hard to see Slafkovsky being available. Seattle and Philly would have to go off the board a little…

1. MTL: Wright
2. CBJ: Cooley
3. ARI: Nemec
4. SEA: Jiricek
5. PHI: Savoie
6. NJD: Slafkovsky

(I guess)

Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Cooley to start. Like there is no scenario where #2 isn't involved if Hughes is off limits


NJD cannot guarantee Cooley. Can only offer #2 pick and hope that Habs don’t take him (they probably take Wright, but I am not so sure any more).
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12 mai 2022 à 9 h 38
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2nd overall - check
Good piece - what does Calgary need (in a post-Tkachuk world?).

Low floor prospects - Zetterlund or Foote?
High ceiling prospects - Gritsyuk or Salminen?
Decent veterans - Zacha or Wood?
Bad veteran - Tatar?
Futures - more picks?


I don’t think Tkachuk is going any where, but if he is. It’s the #2 OA and Mercer
12 mai 2022 à 9 h 42
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The Devils don’t need laine though. They already have a laine type in holtz who will most likely be a better player all around.

The devils also don’t need Cooley imo, a small C isn’t really at the top of the priority list for NJ. I think they draft slaf at 2 and it’ll surprise some people. Unless they know 10000000% they can trade back 2-3 picks and get him. Which is never guaranteed.

But yeah agreed on tkachuk. He is an identity player and would change the Nj franchise.


I mostly agree that Laine is not needed. Our offense looks to be in good shape. Very young, but generate a lot of 5v5 scoring chances. As our GM said in end-of-season press conference, “we have a lot of the same, I don’t want more of the same, I want heavier skill”.

We need a forward who can play in front of the net, tipping, deflecting, screening, cleaning up rebounds, and generally mixing it up near crease. Especially for Power Play. (Think, prime JVR, prime Hornqvist, or Chris Kreider).

We also need more shot-blocking from our wings.
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12 mai 2022 à 9 h 45
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I dont think drafting Slafkovsky should surprise anyone. He is exactly what NJ needs.


Maybe he is what NJ needs and if he is it wouldn’t be for another 2-3 years so that is not what NJ needs they need to improve vastly now
12 mai 2022 à 9 h 46
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Holtz: 9 games - 2 points (both assists), 6'0, 192 lbs (not enough info on his game impact but likely not a power forward).
Laine: ppg power forward, 40 goal scorer, and line driver. 6'5, 206 lbs.

These 2 players are not similar, they might both be goal scorers but outside of that they are completely different. Holtz is definitely a solid prospect but he is more like a Kyler Connor, Brock Boeser like goal scorer.

I do think they could trade down though as I bet someone would love to jump up to draft Cooley ahead of Arizona. I don't see any of Arizona, Seattle, Philly, or Columbus taking Slaf though


I was referring to the goal scoring when it comes to the comparison. Holtz also likely has the better all around game. Sure the size is vastly different, but it’s not joke laine is some physical monster out there. He often is invisible which is not what you want from a guy that big. He also doesn’t really drive play on his own. He’ll create something out of nothing for himself at certain points, but definitely not a strong play driver.

Also yeah, trading down sometimes scares me just due to the fact that you never know what a team is going to do. But if they knew for sure they could get slaf a few picks down it’s worth the trade. I could see SEA and PHI taking slaf as they both could use scoring, but there are also other great options available so you just never know.
12 mai 2022 à 9 h 54
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Holtz: 9 games - 2 points (both assists), 6'0, 192 lbs (not enough info on his game impact but likely not a power forward).
Laine: ppg power forward, 40 goal scorer, and line driver. 6'5, 206 lbs.

These 2 players are not similar, they might both be goal scorers but outside of that they are completely different. Holtz is definitely a solid prospect but he is more like a Kyle Connor, Brock Boeser like goal scorer.

I do think they could trade down though as I bet someone would love to jump up to draft Cooley ahead of Arizona. I don't see any of Arizona, Seattle, Philly, or Columbus taking Slaf though.

Also take it from someone who had 3 40 goal scorer's and 4 guys with at least 35 goals on their team this year. Also being a tampa fan; Point, Kuch, and Stammer all capable of 40+ goals too. It's something really nice to have in your arsenal


I wouldn’t read much into Holtz’s stat line. Most of his call-ups were mid-season when we have a ton of injuries and he was getting 4th line minutes and very little ice time with scoring lines.

My worry about Laine is about his impact defensively (and additional chances against our defense/goalie would have to face) and the stylistic change in our offense. Now we are built to generate chances through speed and possession. Adding an ‘always shoot’ winger changes that (as possession is lost after most shots). That will put our dman/goalie under more pressure to defend, and I don’t think we are built for that yet.
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12 mai 2022 à 9 h 57
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I don’t see anyone other than Jack & Nico as faces of NJD franchise for long time. Dougie certainly isn’t. Luke is still in school.

If we traded #2 for Laine/#6, would be hard to see Slafkovsky being available. Seattle and Philly would have to go off the board a little…

1. MTL: Wright
2. CBJ: Cooley
3. ARI: Nemec
4. SEA: Jiricek
5. PHI: Savoie
6. NJD: Slafkovsky

(I guess)


Zona will take a center, thats pretty much all but guaranteed imo, whether its Cooley or Savoie on the table still, or they take a leap with someone like Geekie. Im quite confident they aren't selecting a winger.

Hard to say with Seattle but if they want a winger I think Kemell is the better choice. I do think they take a forward though.

Philly should 100% take a RD here. Definitely a hole in their prospect pool and with uncertainty on Ellis' long term status he could slide right in sooner than later.

Even if you trade down and get Laine but miss Slaf you atill got your power forward impact player. Draft BPA or Kemell. One of the 2 top wingers should still be on the board.


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njd cannot guarantee cooley. can only offer #2 pick and hope that habs don’t take him (they probably take wright, but i am not so sure any more).


Thats fine, I like Wright but im basing this of the full expectation he goes #1
12 mai 2022 à 10 h 2
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I wouldn’t read much into Holtz’s stat line. Most of his call-ups were mid-season when we have a ton of injuries and he was getting 4th line minutes and very little ice time with scoring lines.

My worry about Laine is about his impact defensively (and additional chances against our defense/goalie would have to face) and the stylistic change in our offense. Now we are built to generate chances through speed and possession. Adding an ‘always shoot’ winger changes that (as possession is lost after most shots). That will put our dman/goalie under more pressure to defend, and I don’t think we are built for that yet.


I disagree with this analysis of Laine's style. I suggest watching the Flames these playoffs (if they make the 2nd round). They will often hammer home 40-50 shots a game and have less 20 against. Shot generation =/= loss of possession by any means
12 mai 2022 à 10 h 4
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Maybe he is what NJ needs and if he is it wouldn’t be for another 2-3 years so that is not what NJ needs they need to improve vastly now


I think Slafkovsky and Nemec play next year.
12 mai 2022 à 10 h 5
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I think Slafkovsky and Nemec play next year.


Slafkovsky coming from Europe will probably not play right away and it would be best for his development if he didn’t. They definitely shouldn’t take Nemec as he would be stuck as 3 RD and they need to focus on upgrading winger depth and goalies
12 mai 2022 à 10 h 6
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Maybe he is what NJ needs and if he is it wouldn’t be for another 2-3 years so that is not what NJ needs they need to improve vastly now


NJ is nowhere close to championship caliber. They can wait a couple years
12 mai 2022 à 10 h 9
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I disagree with this analysis of Laine's style. I suggest watching the Flames these playoffs (if they make the 2nd round). They will often hammer home 40-50 shots a game and have less 20 against. Shot generation =/= loss of possession by any means


A shot is technically the end of a possession, the way we record stats today.

But I understand what you are saying. I think Devils issue is more down low, in corners retrieving the puck, and in front of the net. I feel like we have neutral zone and perimeter covered. Transition game is as good as anyones. Just need 1-2 skilled interior players. We really missed Miles Wood this year as he could play that role. And we are hoping Nolan Foote continues to grow into it as well.
12 mai 2022 à 10 h 12
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Slafkovsky coming from Europe will probably not play right away and it would be best for his development if he didn’t. They definitely shouldn’t take Nemec as he would be stuck as 3 RD and they need to focus on upgrading winger depth and goalies


At #2, take the best player, agnostic of position.

To me, that means one of Wright, Cooley, Nemec or Slafkovsky.
12 mai 2022 à 10 h 13
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NJ is nowhere close to championship caliber. They can wait a couple years


They can’t wait a couple years there stars are getting older just like every team and they have a core now is the time to build around that core this organization is an embarrassment to the organization it once was. It was once a proud successful dynasty but not it is a orginization that can’t rebuild many teams have crashed and rebuilt during the time the devils have been rebuilding. They need to wrap it up, they are losing fans, if they start the year of badly next year they are gonna have a full year of empty seats and a huge loss of money. There are already season ticket holders canceling because of how unbearable it is. The time is now
 
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