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Créé par: TanSor

Équipe: 2022-23 Wild du Minnesota

Date de création initiale: 9 mai 2022

Publié: 9 mai 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Trading Fiala or Dumba this offseason is inevitable. The rumor from our beat writer all year long (mostly) has been that Fiala will be moved this offseason. My preference is still to keep Fiala, the electric 25 year old has the ability to take over games, had the 2nd highest scoring season in franchise history this year, works his ass off (this can't be understated), and he has matured greatly over the past few years.

All that said, I can't help but wonder if Fiala's lack of scoring during this playoff series has bothered Guerin. Fiala has shown he can be dominant in the playoffs before (see: the 2019-2020 playoff bubble play-in series with Vancouver) so I do think it's only a matter of time, but if we lose this series I would almost be shocked if Fiala isn't moved.

Below are some teams that I think will be in play for Fiala.

Targets for the picks would ideally be centers. Wright should go #1, and Cooley in the top 3, so that would leave Savoie, Nazar, Lambert, and Geekie. If the Anaheim deal is made and either Nemec or Jiricek are still on the board I think we'd take one of them.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Middleton, Jake		3	3 100 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Deslauriers, Nicolas		2	1 000 000 $
Fleury, Marc-André		2	3 000 000 $

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Perreault, Jacob
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (ANA)

Détails additionnels:

10th overall pick

Not sure on value, opinions appreciated here. I think Fiala is worth more then the 10th pick but Perrault is worth more than Addison to balance this out.

ANA

Addison, Calen
Fiala, Kevin [Droits de RFA]

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Added Addison in this one, I think there's a chance we move him this offseason as well especially if we keep Dumba. Ducks could use another young RHD to play behind Drysdale.

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Gritsyuk, Arseni [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NJD)

Détails additionnels:

5th-7th overall pick

NJD

Kevin Fiala

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Järventie, Roby
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (OTT)

Détails additionnels:

7th-8th overall pick

OTT

Kevin Fiala

Rachats de contrats

Zach Parise: 6 371 794 $
Ryan Suter: 6 371 794 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	82 500 000 $	81 154 421 $	0 $	1 450 000 $	1 345 579 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kaprizov, Kirill 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ AG UFA - 4	Hartman, Ryan 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Zuccarello, Mats 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2
Boldy, Matthew 880 833 $880 833 $ (600 000 $$600K) AD, AG UFA - 1	Rossi, Marco 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) C RFA - 3	Gaudreau, Frédérick 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1
Greenway, Jordan 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Eriksson Ek, Joel 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ C UFA - 7	Foligno, Marcus 3 100 000 $3 100 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Duhaime, Brandon 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Jost, Tyson 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C UFA - 1	Deslauriers, Nicolas 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Middleton, Jake 3 100 000 $3 100 000 $ DG UFA - 3	Spurgeon, Jared 7 575 000 $7 575 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Fleury, Marc-André 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ G UFA - 2
Brodin, Jonas 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 6	Dumba, Matt 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Talbot, Cam 3 666 667 $3 666 667 $ G UFA - 1
Goligoski, Alex 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD NMC UFA - 2	Kulikov, Dmitry 1 125 000 $1 125 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Merrill, Jon 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ DG UFA - 3

9 mai 2022 à 11 h 9

zyyyp

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Comparing the Devils and Ducks offers here.

Not sure why NJ has to give up a much higher pick and the better prospect, yet Anaheim gets the extra asset lol.

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 14

Lenny7

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Quoting: zyyyp

Comparing the Devils and Ducks offers here.

Not sure why NJ has to give up a much higher pick and the better prospect, yet Anaheim gets the extra asset lol.

Because we're cooler that you guys...

But yeah, I get you. I wonder if his reasoning is more on the "Who knows if/when Gritsyuk comes to the NHL?"

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 15

Devil

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Quoting: Lenny7

Because we're cooler that you guys...

But yeah, I get you. I wonder if his reasoning is more on the "Who knows if/when Gritsyuk comes to the NHL?"

I think he’s coming in 2023 (my guess)

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 15

TanSor

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Quoting: zyyyp

Comparing the Devils and Ducks offers here.

Not sure why NJ has to give up a much higher pick and the better prospect, yet Anaheim gets the extra asset lol.

I don't know much about Gritsyuk. He was ranked 7th in your prospect pool by Scott Wheeler at The Athletic who writes "He’s not going to be a star or anything but he looks like a player." To me, that makes him seem like a decent 3rd line player. Perrault on the other hand was ranked 2nd in the Ducks pool and I liked him a lot during his draft year (think he has 2nd line upside). If you think Gritsyuk is the better prospect, be my guest and sub him out mentally for someone you view as a 3rd liner if they reach their potential.

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 16

Lenny7

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Quoting: TanSor

Yeah, he had a pretty strong run in the KHL this year, which likely pushes him up closer to the top of that Devils system.

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 21

Devil

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Quoting: TanSor

Wheeler is significantly underrating Gritsyuk
I would have him 3rd in my rankings behind Holtz and Hughes

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 22

TanSor

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Quoting: Lenny7

Yeah, he had a pretty strong run in the KHL this year, which likely pushes him up closer to the top of that Devils system.

Quoting: Devil

Wheeler is significantly underrating Gritsyuk
I would have him 3rd in my rankings behind Holtz and Hughes

Fair enough. The intention of this thread was not to fleece the Devils, lol.

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 23

HeadHighSauce

Dougie HIMilton

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If this is the cost for Fiala, the Devils should just make the pick and add (at least) 3 ELCs at the same time at the start of our playoff window (Hughes, <22 first>, Gritsyuk).

Especially because the Devils are basically a goalie and powerplay away from legitimate playoff contention.

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 27

TanSor

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Quoting: HeadHighSauce

Fine with me. As I said, my preference is to keep Fiala. Our beat writer said in one of his podcasts that the ask for Fiala would start with a 1st round pick and include prospects. He has also mentioned the Devils (on Marek's podcast) and Ottawa (in articles/multiple podcasts) specifically as teams that fans should be on the lookout for, so I modeled these trades with that in mind.

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 32

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HeadHighSauce

Dougie HIMilton

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Quoting: TanSor

Yeah I mean, no other team is realistically offing a top 5 pick. So if it's just the pick, /maybe/. If it's more than that, the Devils should absolutely stay away

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 34

#11

MNBassman

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I believe Fiala is worth Greig and the 1st from Ottawa.

My all-time favorite trade with Ottawa is Fiala and Addison for Greig, 22 1st, and JBD. I would throw in a 2nd or Beckman if that’s what it takes.

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 37

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MNCountryClub

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Quoting: HeadHighSauce

Especially because the Devils are basically a goalie and powerplay away from legitimate playoff contention.

Lol according to you maybe. Id argue that any team who finishes with 63 points and 28th in the league is missing more than just goaltending and a better PP. Especially when the cutoff for playoffs in the East was 100 points.

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 39

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HeadHighSauce

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Quoting: drmantalban

According to me and just about every other analytically inclined hockey fan.

9 mai 2022 à 11 h 50

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Quoting: Devil

Wheeler is significantly underrating Gritsyuk
I would have him 3rd in my rankings behind Holtz and Hughes

Tbf, Wheeler wrote that at the beginning of the year. Before Gritsyuk exploded in the KHL. 🤷‍♂️

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 58

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RazWild

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Modifié 9 mai 2022 à 12 h 7

Quoting: TanSor

Gritsyuk just finished 3rd all time in rookie scoring for a KHL rookie player this year. Right behind Kaprizov, who sits at #2.

In short. The kid is starting to look like the next 5th round wunderkind selection, Ala Kaprizov, although probably not as good as Kappy.

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9 mai 2022 à 11 h 58

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Quoting: HeadHighSauce

According to me and just about every other analytically inclined hockey fan.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, my man.

9 mai 2022 à 12 h 16

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jnowariak

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Quoting: RazWild

Kirill did that 2 years earlier in his career and was playing meaningful KHL games in his draft year. I would be very wary of this comparison, Gritsyuk didn’t see regular KHL time until his D2 season.

9 mai 2022 à 12 h 17

#18

jnowariak

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IMO you build a package around the best possible prospect you can get first, then talk draft picks.

9 mai 2022 à 12 h 21

#19

HeadHighSauce

Dougie HIMilton

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Quoting: drmantalban

Whatever helps you sleep at night, my man.

It’s not coping to dig just barely beneath the surface homie. Try it sometime

9 mai 2022 à 12 h 27

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zyyyp

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Quoting: TanSor

Yeah as others have said Gritsyuk had a huge year and rocketed up our prospect rankings haha, he's right there with Hughes and Holtz imo. If you were willing to swap him out for a Foote / Clarke / Bahl / Walsh level guy then I'd make that trade all day. Would love to land Fiala, think he'd be a great fit here.

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9 mai 2022 à 12 h 33

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RazWild

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Quoting: jnowariak

I mean, I get your point. It's why he's viewed as a lesser player than Kaprizov.

But....

Robertson pundits used that same argument as to why he should of won the Calder last year over Kaprizov too. We as Wild fans can't really change our tune too much on that one or we start running into hypocritical territory. Just saying...

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9 mai 2022 à 12 h 36

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MNCountryClub

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Quoting: HeadHighSauce

It’s not coping to dig just barely beneath the surface homie. Try it sometime

Sure thing, Billy Beane.

9 mai 2022 à 13 h 49

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NHLfan10506

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Quoting: jnowariak

At age-20 season

Kaprizov 0.77 ppg
Gritsyuk 0.73 ppg

At age-19 season

Kaprizov played 53 games for last place team
Gritsyuk played 12 games for championship team in pandemic year

I'd be weary of an apples-to-apples comparison.
Gritsyuk is probably a ways off from Kaprizov.
But, along with Marchenko, is probably one of the top-2 NHL prospects in KHL.

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9 mai 2022 à 13 h 52

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jnowariak

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Quoting: RazWild

Agree 100%. But Looking at the leagues he’s played in when he’s played in the and his production during that time I don’t see much. I am just looking at his stat line (take that for what you will) but I’m not seeing him as anything other than a throw in in a Fiala deal, but he’s probably the right value to equalize that 5 OA pick. I’m just not excited by this package however fair it is.

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9 mai 2022 à 13 h 58

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jnowariak

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

I’m looking at his stat line and seeing mid 6 upside, which is something to shake a stick at, but it’s by no means likely unless he can replicate his performance in the KHL next year. My point with Kaprizov, aside from tamping expectations, is that Kirill was playing full KHL seasons since his D-1 year. It took Gritsyuk until his D2 year to accomplish that and his production wasn’t outstanding in any one year. I’d compare him to a guy from the CHL that makes a jump in his D1 year as an overager to stay relevant, those guys can make it but are rarely more than replacement level players.

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