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2021-22 NHL Playoffs Discussion Thread #2 - Free Connor Ingram

11 mai à 11 h 20
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Not having Lundell on here is not right


Lundell didn't play a full season, same way Caufield and Boldy wouldn't make it
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11 mai à 11 h 23
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Lundell didn't play a full season, same way Caufield and Boldy wouldn't make it


That’s fair
11 mai à 12 h 32
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Bunting better not win it


Gonna be close between Seider & Bunting
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11 mai à 12 h 35
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Gonna be close between Seider & Bunting


It shouldn't. Seider is ahead of everyone with a large gap to whoever is the runner up. And Zegras should rank ahead of Bunting.
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11 mai à 12 h 41
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It shouldn't. Seider is ahead of everyone with a large gap to whoever is the runner up. And Zegras should rank ahead of Bunting.


No, Bunting gets 2nd, he's had a better year than Zegras, sure he's playing with better linemates but you still have to be good to put up those stats, not everyone can do well on Matthews/Marner's side
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11 mai à 12 h 48
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No, Bunting gets 2nd, he's had a better year than Zegras, sure he's playing with better linemates but you still have to be good to put up those stats, not everyone can do well on Matthews/Marner's side


Not denying Buying has been good, he's been very good and he filled the hole Hyman left perfectly. But it's not just the fact that he played with Matthews and Marner but also that Zegras had to play with AHL caliber players a lot. Coaching have limited his chances to win the calder drastically because of stupid lineup decisions and bad calls by Eakins. Zegras drives the play better and makes all of his line mates better no matter how bad they are. I don't see that with Bunting, he doesn't do enough on his own. Not everyone can play well with Marner and Matthews but its definitely easier than playing with the guys Zegras has had to play with a lot this year. Bunting's point totals are definitely inflated, he's been good but not as good as his point totals might suggest. Also: Zegras' PPG > Bunting (even though it's only by 0.01tears of joy)

Additionally, Bunting is a lo older but this shouldn't be ones main point against Bunting. But it should be a factor even though it's not an important one.
11 mai à 13 h 12
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Seider for Calder.
Tougher position to play and at 21-yrs he's pretty much a stud since DET game 1.

If Seider and Bunting are 'back in the draft' and the only two players left to be picked - all the GMs would take Sieder knowing what we know now from 2021-22 season...
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11 mai à 13 h 21
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You guys need to read what the definition of the calder trophy is. It doesn't matter their age or if they had ****ty coaches/linemates. It's who had the best rookie season
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11 mai à 13 h 22
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
You guys need to read what the definition of the calder trophy is. It doesn't matter their age or if they had ****ty coaches/linemates. It's who had the best rookie season


Exactly.
11 mai à 13 h 34
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You guys need to read what the definition of the calder trophy is. It doesn't matter their age or if they had ****ty coaches/linemates. It's who had the best rookie season


I know that. Seider easily had the best.

I said that age shouldn't be your main point against Bunting, that would be stupid. But the age does play a role as it puts his and Zegras' seasons into better context. Leaving their ages out of the discussion doesn't change a thing though anyway, my opinion remains the same.

Of course line mates matter in the sense that they impact who had the best rookie season. You have to look at them and figure out how much of an influence they had on the season. And technically it's who had the most "proficient" rookie season, I believe, which isn't the same as "best". And to decipher that you need to factor in everything, including line mates, ice time, chances given by the coaches. And even by overall performance Zegras is basically equal to Bunting, now factor in the things you declared irrelevant and Zegras comes out on top.
11 mai à 13 h 42
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
You guys need to read what the definition of the calder trophy is. It doesn't matter their age or if they had ****ty coaches/linemates. It's who had the best rookie season


Problem is that many voters have their own definition of awards. It shouldn't be open to interpretation, but it is. Like it or not, Seider and Zegras will get "weighted" consideration, b/c of his age, his team, his position, etc...
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11 mai à 14 h 7
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Jesperi Kotkaniemi just looks like a passenger so far in the series against BOS
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11 mai à 14 h 13
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Quoting: SevenLeg
Jesperi Kotkaniemi just looks like a passenger so far in the series against BOS


to be fair, kotka doesnt match up with boston well in carolina's system. i think they brought him in as trochek insurance, who is absolutely killing us. biggest issue is defense isnt helping generate any scoring chances.
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11 mai à 14 h 20
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11 mai à 14 h 21
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EDM's f*cked
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11 mai à 14 h 23
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Yeah that's at least 3 games
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11 mai à 14 h 24
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Yeah that's at least 3 games


If you want a good slow mo replay



11 mai à 14 h 37
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Imagine if Florida Panthers paid

2022 1st
2023 1st
2024 1st
2024 2nd
2023 3rd
2022 4th
2024 4th
2022 6th
Owen Tippett
Devon Levi
Vladislav Kolyachonok
Ty Smilanic
Frank Vatrano

Just to get eliminated in the 1st round by a team that was a consensus first-round exit.
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11 mai à 14 h 38
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
You guys need to read what the definition of the calder trophy is. It doesn't matter their age or if they had ****ty coaches/linemates. It's who had the best rookie season


Here I'll rephrase my blurbs principal-point in bold...
Seider for Calder.
Tougher position to play...
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11 mai à 14 h 40
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Imagine if Florida Panthers paid

2022 1st
2023 1st
2024 1st
2024 2nd
2023 3rd
2022 4th
2024 4th
2022 6th
Owen Tippett
Devon Levi
Vladislav Kolyachonok
Ty Smilanic
Frank Vatrano

Just to get eliminated in the 1st round by a team that was a consensus first-round exit.


yes please but reinhart comes with term and it sounds like giroux is there to stay too.
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11 mai à 14 h 40
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Imagine if Florida Panthers paid

2022 1st
2023 1st
2024 1st
2024 2nd
2023 3rd
2022 4th
2024 4th
2022 6th
Owen Tippett
Devon Levi
Vladislav Kolyachonok
Ty Smilanic
Frank Vatrano

Just to get eliminated in the 1st round by a team that was a consensus first-round exit.


Feeel like you shouldn't include the trades that where not for rentals.
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11 mai à 14 h 42
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Feeel like you shouldn't include the trades that where not for rentals.


It wouldn't be as funny, and they still traded for them to win now though?
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11 mai à 14 h 42
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Imagine if Florida Panthers paid

2022 1st
2023 1st
2024 1st
2024 2nd
2023 3rd
2022 4th
2024 4th
2022 6th
Owen Tippett
Devon Levi
Vladislav Kolyachonok
Ty Smilanic
Frank Vatrano

Just to get eliminated in the 1st round by a team that was a consensus first-round exit.


And people say my take of Zito being on the hotseat should this happen isnt justified

If they go out in round 1 whats he got left to trade next year.

Then you will have the issue once again of Bob and his 10mill deal

While I dont think Zito will get fired immediately he should 100% be on the hot seat. As you dont spend that much to go out in the first round.

As we all agree this is going full on all in to win now right?
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11 mai à 14 h 44
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It wouldn't be as funny, and they still traded for them to win now though?


True...BUT trading a first and Levi for Reinhart who is 26, locked up with term, and scores 82 points in 78 games is barely a loss. EVEN if they get eliminated.
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11 mai à 14 h 46
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yes please but reinhart comes with term and it sounds like giroux is there to stay too.


If Florida loses round 1 and I'm Giroux

I take a discount and either sign in Tampa or sign a 1 year 3mill deal and join Colorado
 
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