Getting greedy... a 3rd for Pettersson is the consensus value.

Who agreed to this? I only hear this from Wings fans

Also, the difference between the Caps second and Wings third is ~15 picks, is it really a difference worth arguing over? Those slots are something like 30% chance to play 100 games vs. 25% chance

This team is not improved from last year at all. We are already struggling a ton with our roster as it, if we lose first round or even later I don't see the point of running it back. Signing Kapanen for 3.5 mil especially dosen't make sense and idk about keeping UFA's if we're out first round, at least not all of them

The vast majority of other Pittsburgh ACGM posts.

I'm not saying those 15 picks would be a deal breaker, just pointing out that you're getting greedy, when the overwhelming consensus on this board, is that a 3rd is market value. Pittsburgh needs to shed cap and everyone knows it, so they are not in a position of leverage in negotiations. If anything, they might even need to take less as no one will be looking to do them a favor.

At the same time, the roster has been good enough this year to be a contender despite injuries

Withholding judgment of the roster construction until they play five games with a full lineup

Red Wings decline

No you don't.

95% of all PIT ACGMs have Pettersson going to Detroit for a 3rd or less. Have a look at the ACGM right before yours as an example.

With Yzerman drafting it's a huge difference.

We are too old and slow. Also have no physicality which matters for playoffs and might be why we always get so many injuries. Need to get a little bigger/tougher and younger faster players as well. Our centers would be 36, 35, and 38 in this lineup. If we lose first round we need major change, it would be insanity to do the same thing again. Coaching change needs to be considered as well imo.

If there's more than one team interested in a player, they'll get fair value, even with cap constraints that's just how markets function

>1 team would be interested in Pettersson

Late second / early third is fair value imo but I don't see those as being wildly different enough to really argue it either way

Feel like that's a bridge to cross if they actually lose first round, not before

speaking from experience, think most people just put the third to avoid the argument, as evidenced from this thread

there's really not much of a difference value wise between the picks, so sure

historically there's really not

Wrong

For your viewing pleasure: https://myslu.stlawu.edu/~msch/sports/Schuckers_NHL_Draft.pdf

I don't think so personally. I feel like that is where we are headed. I would be shocked if we won first round, so I've started thinking about offseason already. Also with so many UFA's it is a conversation happening now. Even if we don't lose first round, we have way to many players struggling and a team is only as good as the sum of its parts. Kapanen, Carter, Dumo, Pettersson, Marino, Malkin, Zucker all not playing well. That for me is enough for some change.

Detroit needs a stop gap dman for couple of seasons and there are plenty of options that won't cost more than a 3rd. So if Pittsburgh wants more than a 3rd Detroit will target someone else.

this reads as your personal opinion, which you are welcome to have

I mean, Zucker hasn't really played

He was struglging very badly before and unless he picks it up to end the season 5 mil is way too much to pay for that level of production. Some of these struggling players we could use that space to improve so much. Kapanen and one of the D gone would free up 7 mil alone.

This is an ACGM for this offseason so we really do have to base it on what we think will happen in playoffs. So just out of curiosity what do you think will happen? If we lose would this still be your roster? What do you think about potential coaching change or not re signing UFA's? Or even getting more physical/faster.

I can say the same about this ACGM.

Detroit passes, a 3rd rounder for Pettersson or we go elsewhere. And Bryan Rust is getting closer to $7,000,000 x 7 years he's not signing that low ball offer. He wants to get paid.

No way do Kapanen and Rakell sign for that little, (or Rust and Fleury).

Wings pass, better options for cheaper