edmonton easily says no. If anything the blues would need to retain salary on Binnington

Habs laugh and hang up, what an atrocious offer for probably our most valuable veteran defenceman.

Eddy has term, so he begins with more than what Chiarot got - plus payment for taking that terrible Scandella contract back.

Neighbours is apart of any deal involved with Eddy going to STL - he's better than Chiarot and signed with term.

big no from mtl

Binnington is obviously overpayed, but I don't think it's a matter of "Binnington doesn't play well in front of the Blues' style of play and Husso does". I think it's much simpler than that- the Blues are not very good defensively this year (bottom ten in the league in expected goals against this year, though they have maybe been a little better recently) and Husso is having an unbelievable season which is papering over a lot of that while Binnington is having a rather poor season and thus the Blues' poor defense is very apparent in front of him. Husso playing well is decently independent of the team in front of him and while I think he's a solid goalie, I don't think his performance is necessarily something to bank on going forward. But the defense is poor all the time, no matter who is in net.

Shedding Binnington's deal (if they can find a sucker) and re-signing Husso is a good move just from a perspective of getting out from Binnington's deal and going cheaper in goal, and a few select forwards need to shoulder some blame this year as well, but at the end of the day defensemen need to suppress chances and all of their defensemen besides Parayko and sometimes Mikkola have been putting up mediocre defensive results this year at 5v5. A few of those defensemen are bringing the offense to make up for it, most aren't. I'm not sure how much Joel Edmundson is going to cover up those issues considering he's had very bad defensive results most of his career outside of the shortened season when he only played against six other teams and was stapled to Shea Weber all year. They need to fix that if they want to have success because the odds Husso is a .920 goalie every year now is probably not high, even if I think he's generally pretty good

take out kassian and blues accept

LOL, not a chance Edmonton considers that for even a second. This is one of the worst trade offers I've seen recently.

Nobody wants your cap dump, suggesting someone should give up a 1st and a top prospect is ludicrous.

for your sake you should delete this

The habs traded you scandella we know he isnt good. Kostin isnt enough to make up the difference

Super easy no from Montreal. Doubt Edmonton agrees either.

i think if edmundson is going back to STL, it starts with a first round pick, or a prospect of equal caliber. kostin was a low first, so thats not gonna do it. maybe someone like bolduc or neighbours.
then, since scandella is being taken back, you gotta pay. scandella's contract is atrocious. try maybe a second.


so final offer imo:

To STL:
Joel Edmundson

To MTL:
Jake Neighbours/Zachary Bolduc
Marco Scandella
Klim Kostin/Nikita Alexandrov/2024 2nd round pick

You thought people would all say this not enough for Binny??? Yikes. Both teams decline, and the Blues aren't paying to swap Scandyman for Eddy anyway, so none of this is happening.






Uhhh no. That's just nuts. Everybody vastly whiffs on Scandella's value and how bad his contract is, it's totally overwrought. Since moving to the 3rd pairing, where he belongs, he's been fine. And he's arguably been the best PK D-man on the Blues this season. He's overpaid, yes, but this notion that one would need to pay through the nose to get rid of a short, mildly overpaid deal for a useful player is just fantasyland.

Its not nuts, you want to acquire a player that isn't being shopped and want to move a contract the other team doesn't want. Of course you're going to have to pay through the nose to get them interested.

I'm not wanting to do any such thing. Regardless, the price for swapping these players is NOT a burgeoning A prospect + a B prospect. And Eddy's deal is just as long and more expensive than Scandella's. And this all comes from the popular notion that Scandella is a worthless pure cap dump, which he ain't, and a spectacularly egregious one at that. Meanwhile, say what you will about +/-, but Scandella is fifth on a good Blues team at +16.

For reference, Husso was spectacular in his first 14 games, but merely average since then.

Up to Jan 27: 14 gp, 1.81 GAA, .945 sv%
Since Jan 27: 21 gp, 2.74 GAA, .909 sv%

Just thought this would reinforce much of what you are saying.

Then the trade doesn't happen. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about this. And +/- is worthless.

Yup blues aren’t this delusional so we wouldn’t do this trade

Again, I'm not the one proposing this trade. And I already told the AGM author that both teams would decline these deals in my first post. So I have no idea what you imagine I'm missing.

And +/- is not worthless. It's certainly no more worthless than all the on-ice analytic stats, which are pretty much variations on expected +/-. All of these stats require context, mostly because there's always 4-5 other teammates on the ice. Nevertheless, pointing out that Scandella ranks fifth in this sort of stat on what will be a 100-point team is not worthless. It wasn't the actual stat I was pushing, it was his relative ranking against teammates.

Long story short: No defenseman who is so horrid that he would require a king's ransom to move a paltry 6.5M over two seasons is going to be ranked fifth on his team in +/-. Obviously. In other words, this popular idea that Scandella is a monster cap dump of no on-ice value is quite overwrought - and yes, I'm morbidly aware much of this line is fed by Blues fans.

+/- is certainly more worthless because it all the on-ice analytic stats because how its calculated is dumb and other "on-ice analytic stats" convey the relevant information better. It serves zero purpose and is a legacy stat that should be ignored.

And again, it doesn't really matter since Montreal doesn't want to move Edmundson or bring back Scandella. Of course you'd have to overpay to make a team do something they didn't want to do, since they have to justify it.

So expected goals are more relevant than actual goals? What now?

Seriously, almost all those stats are literally expected +/- in some form. You're backing perceived expectation +/-, but actual on-ice +/- is worthless.

(sigh)