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Tear Down For Bedard in 25

Créé par: reelkena
Date de création initiale: 4 avr. 2022
Publié: 4 avr. 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver
Explications
Extension would be in place with JT and L.A. And Brock with NSH.

It may cost a bit more for Forsberg, if it does, I might go after Gaudreau at that bigger number instead. Either way assume a big number for a big player but under 10 mil. Still a rebuild with the lack of depth.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
DiPietro, Michael3850 000 $
Highmore, Matthew2900 000 $
Lammikko, Juho3950 000 $
Lockwood, William1850 000 $
Rathbone, Jack3950 000 $
Zacha, Pavel43 000 000 $
Glass, Cody31 600 000 $
Vilardi, Gabriel21 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Dries, Sheldon1775 000 $
Hunt, Brad2850 000 $
Juulsen, Noah1750 000 $
Martin, Spencer2900 000 $
Rakell, Rickard34 500 000 $
Forsberg, Filip58 750 000 $
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Zacha, Pavel [Droits de RFA]
NJD
  1. Garland, Conor
2.
VAN
  1. Glass, Cody [Droits de RFA]
  2. Myers, Philippe
  3. 2022 1e round pick (NSH)
NSH
  1. Boeser, Brock [Droits de RFA]
  2. Pearson, Tanner
3.
VAN
  1. 2023 3e round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Dickinson, Jason
4.
VAN
  1. Chromiak, Martin
  2. Vilardi, Gabriel [Droits de RFA]
  3. Kupari, Rasmus
  4. 2022 1e round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Miller, J.T.
  2. Woo, Jett
  3. 2023 2e round pick (VAN)
Rachats de contrats
  • Braden Holtby: 1 900 000 $
  • Jake Virtanen: 500 000 $
  • Tucker Poolman: 1 166 667 $
Enfoui
  • Philippe Myers: 1 425 000 $ (2 550 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
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Logo de LAK
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2023
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Logo de CAR
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Logo de NYR
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2082 500 000 $73 031 667 $1 250 000 $1 500 000 $9 468 333 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Forsberg, Filip
8 750 000 $
AG
UFA
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Pettersson, Elias
7 350 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
Rakell, Rickard
4 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
Zacha, Pavel
3 000 000 $
AG, C
RFA
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Horvat, Bo
5 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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Lammikko, Juho
950 000 $
C, AG
RFA
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Podkolzin, Vasily
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Glass, Cody
1 600 000 $
C
RFA - 1
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Höglander, Nils
891 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de LAK
Kupari, Rasmus
863 333 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 1
Vilardi, Gabriel
1 250 000 $
C
RFA
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Highmore, Matthew
900 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Hughes, Quinn
7 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
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Myers, Tyler
6 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Demko, Thatcher
5 000 000 $
G
UFA - 4
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Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
7 260 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
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Dermott, Travis
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Martin, Spencer
900 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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Rathbone, Jack
950 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
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Schenn, Luke
850 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Ferland, Micheal
3 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1

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4 avr. à 13 h 57
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Even with an extension in place, I think that is entirely too much for LA to be paying up. And RD is the last place they need to be adding any extra players/prospects, so Woo is entirely unnecessary in this trade.
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If you want bedard why would you sign a guy on pace for 100 points this year
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Bedard is a 2023 pick. So why not strip down current roster and stockpile 2023 1sts?
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Even with an extension in place, I think that is entirely too much for LA to be paying up. And RD is the last place they need to be adding any extra players/prospects, so Woo is entirely unnecessary in this trade.


I think avoiding Byfield and Kaliev does a lot for allowing a good package coming to Van.
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Bedard is a 2023 pick. So why not strip down current roster and stockpile 2023 1sts?


The 2022 draft picks can be assets to move in 23. The teams we're picking up 1sts from are not gonna be lottery picks in 23 anyway.
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If you want bedard why would you sign a guy on pace for 100 points this year


That was explained in OP
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Quoting: PuckLuck_77
Even with an extension in place, I think that is entirely too much for LA to be paying up. And RD is the last place they need to be adding any extra players/prospects, so Woo is entirely unnecessary in this trade.


Take out Chromiak, Woo, and a 2nd and I'd do it tbh (As long as JT comes with a fair extension)
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The 2022 draft picks can be assets to move in 23. The teams we're picking up 1sts from are not gonna be lottery picks in 23 anyway.


No one is gonna trade lottery picks in 23. Plan is to gain assets and be up for that lottery pick. Then build up and be reasonable for 2025.
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Take out Chromiak, Woo, and a 2nd and I'd do it tbh


Certainly plausible. I've been watching Chromiak a bit so I'm trying to get a steal.
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Certainly plausible. I've been watching Chromiak a bit so I'm trying to get a steal.


And a steal he will be, just like Kaliyev. I think most Kings fans problem with this trade would be that it pretty much severs the ability to go after a dynamic young LD which you could argue we need that more than a guy like JT(I disagree, but that's just me) Turcotte or Vilardi would be the major starting piece in a trade like that. We can afford to trade one of them, but not both IMO.
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Not close to enough for Garland, and I wouldn’t take that Boeser trade either
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I think avoiding Byfield and Kaliev does a lot for allowing a good package coming to Van.


To me, that's wishful thinking from you. Hockey is a business and is not built on just good-will. Value is value regardless of untouchable prospects that are avoided.

The beauty of the Kings farm system is the Kings have other highly thought of prospects. Just because Byfield and Kaliyev aren't mentioned, Blake doesn't have only Chromiak, Vilardi, and Kupari left as trade chips, not to mention the 2022 1st round pick.

And where I'm coming from is that I think the equivalent of 3 first round picks (Vilardi, Kupari, and the 2022 1st) and a steal of a pick (Chromiak) is way too expensive of a price to pay for JT Miller. Especially considering the fact that the winger position is one of the few weaker spots of the Kings farm system.

I agree that one of Vilardi/Turcotte and the 2022 1st would be the centerpieces of a trade. But the other pieces would need to come out of the Kings positions of strength. So RD and lower tier centers in the organizations pool. Raki's post https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3180362 is a little more in line with something that I would expect. Total value of two 1sts and two 2nds. Vilardi and Turcotte are relatively interchangeable in that scenario.
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To me, that's wishful thinking from you. Hockey is a business and is not built on just good-will. Value is value regardless of untouchable prospects that are avoided.

The beauty of the Kings farm system is the Kings have other highly thought of prospects. Just because Byfield and Kaliyev aren't mentioned, Blake doesn't have only Chromiak, Vilardi, and Kupari left as trade chips, not to mention the 2022 1st round pick.

And where I'm coming from is that I think the equivalent of 3 first round picks (Vilardi, Kupari, and the 2022 1st) and a steal of a pick (Chromiak) is way too expensive of a price to pay for JT Miller. Especially considering the fact that the winger position is one of the few weaker spots of the Kings farm system.

I agree that one of Vilardi/Turcotte and the 2022 1st would be the centerpieces of a trade. But the other pieces would need to come out of the Kings positions of strength. So RD and lower tier centers in the organizations pool. Raki's post https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3180362 is a little more in line with something that I would expect. Total value of two 1sts and two 2nds. Vilardi and Turcotte are relatively interchangeable in that scenario.


I never said anything about good will. Think from the Kings side.

GM walks into a press conference with JT and he gets to say it didn't cost him his best assets? The grin would be palpable.
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Not close to enough for Garland, and I wouldn’t take that Boeser trade either


When I have both sides telling me they don't like a trade, that means it's good.

I would agree that I'm selling low on Garland but he's played bad and this isn't a plan to sit on guys. Keep the core, give the fans a new player to be excited about, but shred the team and make sure they're in the lottery picture.

Brock's new contract after a medium season isn't going to help his value. Letting another team have that problem isn't an afterthought in this deal.
 
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