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Créé par: Sagecoll
Équipe: 2022-23 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 29 mars 2022
Publié: 30 mars 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1925 000 $
33 300 000 $
2880 000 $
43 250 000 $
43 500 000 $
21 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
NYR
  1. Roy, Nicolas [Droits de RFA]
2.
NYR
  1. Konovalov, Ilya
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
EDM
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
3.
NYR
  1. Gavrikov, Vladislav
  2. Robinson, Eric
  3. Roslovic, Jack [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Gavrikov extension for 3.65m x 4 yr
CBJ
  1. Lindgren, Ryan
  2. Trouba, Jacob
Détails additionnels:
UFA Rights for Andrew Copp
Rachats de contrats
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $78 533 969 $0 $4 582 500 $3 966 031 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
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8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 8
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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11 642 857 $11 642 857 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 4
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 5
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3 300 000 $3 300 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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2 300 000 $2 300 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
3 641 667 $3 641 667 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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1 600 000 $1 600 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DG
RFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 7
Logo de Rangers de New York
5 666 667 $5 666 667 $
G
UFA - 3
Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
2 800 000 $2 800 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
842 500 $842 500 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
G
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Rangers de New York
762 500 $762 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1

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30 mars 2022 à 16 h 49
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How is Georgiev worth a 2nd + 3rd?
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30 mars 2022 à 17 h 0
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They trades are all over the place.... georgiev might pull a end if lucky, Robertson doesnt get Roy, and the cbj trade is just wack
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30 mars 2022 à 17 h 9
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have u watched Georgiev play over the past 3 seasons?
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30 mars 2022 à 17 h 11
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Vlad (with an extension) is most definitely a 1st+. Rosy is probably a 1st-equivalent, and Robinson is a 2nd or so. We don't need more LD, so Lindgren doesn't really do much for us, and to take on Trouba would require a bribe pick/ prospect - plus, guaranteed he doesn't waive to go to Columbus. Copp would obviously have to come with an extension, though we honestly don't need Ws more as we need Cs at this point.

All told, too many holes in this trade for me to like it as is.
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30 mars 2022 à 17 h 32
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Quoting: Drshnuckels91
have u watched Georgiev play over the past 3 seasons?


Sure. Georgiev just had the best goaltending game the Rangers have ever had since they kept track of advanced goalie stats (I think it was 6 goals saved above expected). Have you?
30 mars 2022 à 17 h 43
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Rangers are not trading Lindgren or Trouba, plus Trouba would not waive his NMC. Rangers D corp is set for the next 2 years at least.
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30 mars 2022 à 17 h 44
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Vlad (with an extension) is most definitely a 1st+. Rosy is probably a 1st-equivalent, and Robinson is a 2nd or so. We don't need more LD, so Lindgren doesn't really do much for us, and to take on Trouba would require a bribe pick/ prospect - plus, guaranteed he doesn't waive to go to Columbus. Copp would obviously have to come with an extension, though we honestly don't need Ws more as we need Cs at this point.

All told, too many holes in this trade for me to like it as is.


Yeah we’re pretty far off in evaluations here. Trouba’s market value is somewhere between Risto and Jones in a trade. It’s more than Gavrikov even with an extension. Some would say the difference is more than the value of Robinson.

Lindgren for Rosy is pretty even.

Makes sense for you guys tbh. You fix your RHD issues, Lindgren does everything Gavi does while being younger and has team control. Copp gives you a 2C that can actually play D and does everything Rosy can do offensively. A pretty clear upgrade there.
30 mars 2022 à 23 h 9
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Quoting: Sagecoll
Yeah we’re pretty far off in evaluations here. Trouba’s market value is somewhere between Risto and Jones in a trade. It’s more than Gavrikov even with an extension. Some would say the difference is more than the value of Robinson.

Lindgren for Rosy is pretty even.

Makes sense for you guys tbh. You fix your RHD issues, Lindgren does everything Gavi does while being younger and has team control. Copp gives you a 2C that can actually play D and does everything Rosy can do offensively. A pretty clear upgrade there.


Yeah, but, how many people out here are applauding the received value of the Risto or Jones trade? 😂

That’s my point here - Trouba doesn’t really do anything for us. He’s a RD, sure, but I don’t necessarily buy him as the Top-Pairing guy that would change the make-up of our blue line.He’s getting paid $8M, but playing more like a $5M-$6M guy. Giving anything in value for him alone that is even within the ballpark of the Jones trade is a waste.
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31 mars 2022 à 12 h 32
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Quoting: dopplsan
Yeah, but, how many people out here are applauding the received value of the Risto or Jones trade? 😂

That’s my point here - Trouba doesn’t really do anything for us. He’s a RD, sure, but I don’t necessarily buy him as the Top-Pairing guy that would change the make-up of our blue line.He’s getting paid $8M, but playing more like a $5M-$6M guy. Giving anything in value for him alone that is even within the ballpark of the Jones trade is a waste.


I'm not saying it's the wisest move - nor was the Nurse contract, or the Lindholm trade/contract, or the Jones trade, or the Risto trade or the Chiarot trade. But that's the market. Physical 6-3 Dmen who play all situations and put up points get pretty massive returns. That's just what the league is now.

And frankly, Trouba's got more even strength points than Werenski right now despite Columbus scoring more often at 5v5. And Zach's in line to make 9.5 mil. I mean of course it's not likely (that Trouba would be traded - if he was, this would be the sort of return), but it kinda makes sense for you guys as a franchise with a sizable amount of cap room, guys like Nyqvist and Voracek coming off the books and not a ton of alternative avenues to bring a comparable player in for cheaper - particularly without giving up picks. I mean Peeke is rough in his current role. Ceulmans if he hits his ceiling is merely as good as Trouba and you're going to need some time to develop your F's.

I think the only way it doesn't make much sense as a roster building idea is if you're trying to tank. But frankly I think your roster is too good to effectively tank.
31 mars 2022 à 12 h 49
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Sure. Georgiev just had the best goaltending game the Rangers have ever had since they kept track of advanced goalie stats (I think it was 6 goals saved above expected). Have you?


Ah yes the one game that rules out the past 3 seasons of 0.910,0.905,0.894
31 mars 2022 à 13 h 9
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I'm not saying it's the wisest move - nor was the Nurse contract, or the Lindholm trade/contract, or the Jones trade, or the Risto trade or the Chiarot trade. But that's the market. Physical 6-3 Dmen who play all situations and put up points get pretty massive returns. That's just what the league is now.

And frankly, Trouba's got more even strength points than Werenski right now despite Columbus scoring more often at 5v5. And Zach's in line to make 9.5 mil. I mean of course it's not likely (that Trouba would be traded - if he was, this would be the sort of return), but it kinda makes sense for you guys as a franchise with a sizable amount of cap room, guys like Nyqvist and Voracek coming off the books and not a ton of alternative avenues to bring a comparable player in for cheaper - particularly without giving up picks. I mean Peeke is rough in his current role. Ceulmans if he hits his ceiling is merely as good as Trouba and you're going to need some time to develop your F's.

I think the only way it doesn't make much sense as a roster building idea is if you're trying to tank. But frankly I think your roster is too good to effectively tank.


CBJ still pass. Not worth the value given up.
31 mars 2022 à 14 h 18
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Quoting: Drshnuckels91
Ah yes the one game that rules out the past 3 seasons of 0.910,0.905,0.894


I mean if you're just going to judge all shots against and defenses in front of the goaltender the same way then you're going to end up making the same mistake Seattle did with Grubbauer. Hopefully you'd be smart enough to avoid that.
 
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