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Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 28 mars 2022
Publié: 28 mars 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
86 500 000 $
22 000 000 $
54 250 000 $
1925 000 $
1925 000 $
66 000 000 $
2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
25 750 000 $
1750 000 $
Transactions
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2.
NJD
  1. Boeser, Brock [Droits de RFA]
VAN
  1. Zacha, Pavel
  2. Zetterlund, Fabian [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NJD)
Détails additionnels:
pick will be in between 33-39
3.
NJD
  1. Benson, Tyler [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
EDM
  1. Bernier, Jonathan (2 050 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $76 080 000 $0 $1 732 500 $6 420 000 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
C
UFA - 8
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 3
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
C
UFA - 5
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
AD, C
RFA - 2
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825 000 $825 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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975 000 $975 000 $
C
RFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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3 166 667 $3 166 667 $
DG
UFA - 1
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
G
UFA - 5
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1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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4 166 666 $4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 1
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2 800 000 $2 800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 3
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DG/DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
800 000 $800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
925 000 $925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
795 000 $795 000 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
DG
RFA - 1

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28 mars 2022 à 12 h 57
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I'd make that Boeser trade if he came with that contract. He won't though.
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28 mars 2022 à 12 h 57
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Edmonton declines. They can get a below-average backup for less elsewhere.
28 mars 2022 à 13 h 5
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No. At 6M per Vancouver keeps him. If its a sign and trade at that number, Zacha and a 2023 protected 1st gets the ball rolling.
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28 mars 2022 à 13 h 6
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Edmonton declines. They can get a below-average backup for less elsewhere.


statistically, Bernier is miles ahead of your Kosky/Smith tandem.

EDM just lost 9-5 to their biggest rival in perhaps their biggest game of the year to this point. Holland doesn't have many options.
28 mars 2022 à 13 h 11
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statistically, Bernier is miles ahead of your Kosky/Smith tandem.

EDM just lost 9-5 to their biggest rival in perhaps their biggest game of the year to this point. Holland doesn't have many options.

It's one game, and by summer it'll be a distant memory. It will have absolutely zero impact on any decision Holland makes in the summer.

And as for Bernier being better than Koskinen or Smith, well that's a pretty low bar. But you actually did nothing to address my point: Edmonton can get a below-average backup for less elsewhere.
28 mars 2022 à 13 h 12
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It's one game, and by summer it'll be a distant memory. It will have absolutely zero impact on any decision Holland makes in the summer.

And as for Bernier being better than Koskinen or Smith, well that's a pretty low bar. But you actually did nothing to address my point: Edmonton can get a below-average backup for less elsewhere.


Beggars can't be choosers
28 mars 2022 à 13 h 17
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Beggars can't be choosers

?

There are UFA's this summer, anyone can sign them without giving up draft capital. It's that simple.
28 mars 2022 à 13 h 19
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I think Vancouver is looking for a young RHD in any Boeser trade
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28 mars 2022 à 13 h 55
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Canucks decline pretty easily. That trade doesn’t fill their needs
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28 mars 2022 à 16 h 3
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Quoting: stephane_robidas
statistically, Bernier is miles ahead of your Kosky/Smith tandem.

Completely irrelevant to the fact that paying a 2nd+ for a marginal upgrade in net is objectively poor value.

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Beggars can't be choosers

That's a horrendously weak and disingenuous argument.
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28 mars 2022 à 16 h 20
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Completely irrelevant to the fact that paying a 2nd+ for a marginal upgrade in net is objectively poor value.


That's a horrendously weak and disingenuous argument.


Not a great UFA goalie market, buddy - unless Kuemper comes to EDM which I don't think he will, respectively grin

Not many options, unless of course you WANT to roll with .896 sv% Mike Smith and feed Skinner to the wolves. Both EDM goalies got lit up 9-5 against the Flames and have been atrocious this year.

Some context, EDM's goaltending is, in terms of save percentage, .1% and .4% better than Samuel Montembeault - very comparable GAA too.

So, beggars can't be choosers. It literally cannot get any worse than this for Edmonton, year 7 of wasting the prime years of the two greatest players in the world.
29 mars 2022 à 6 h 1
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Not a great UFA goalie market, buddy - unless Kuemper comes to EDM which I don't think he will, respectively grin

Not many options, unless of course you WANT to roll with .896 sv% Mike Smith and feed Skinner to the wolves. Both EDM goalies got lit up 9-5 against the Flames and have been atrocious this year.

Some context, EDM's goaltending is, in terms of save percentage, .1% and .4% better than Samuel Montembeault - very comparable GAA too.

So, beggars can't be choosers. It literally cannot get any worse than this for Edmonton, year 7 of wasting the prime years of the two greatest players in the world.


Doubling down, huh?

Well, let's start with your first claim: a weak UFA goalie market. Perhaps that's a fair assertion but only if the option you're proposing doesn't involve spending assets to acquire an EVEN weaker goalie option. I can see at least 3 options on the UFA market that are demonstrably better than Bernier (Kuemper, Holtby, and Campbell) and then a whole bunch who are pretty much in the same league- a group that includes current Oilers goalie Koskinen. Without even mentioning likely-available RFAs like Georgiev, your argument is already flaccid.

It's funny that you'd draw the comparison of EDM's goalie stats to Montembault but completely omit the fact that Bernier's own sv% and GAA are pretty much directly in-line with Koskinen's. (.902 & 3.08 Vs .901 & 3.11). Since your stated argument only relies on those goalie stats, your own proposed solution doesn't even work using your own stated reasoning. Do you intend to make the case that "Bernier's numbers only suffer because NJ is bad defensively"? In that case, the same applies to EDM's goalies who have been hung out to dry regularly. Both teams have bluelines with a skew towards being offensively-focused and a tendency for making glaring mistakes.

I'll ignore the "beggars can't be choosers" argument because that's just a rhetorical tool you're defensively deploying to defend your poor proposal. But you ARE right; the team can't sit around and make decisions that waste another year of McDavid and Draisaitl. As such, your offer makes zero sense for the Oilers as acquiring Bernier at any cost (let alone a 2nd+) would be doing exactly that.

If your proposal involved taking back Smith's contract while STILL retaining cap on Bernier, then there might be more merit to it.
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29 mars 2022 à 9 h 30
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Doubling down, huh?

Well, let's start with your first claim: a weak UFA goalie market. Perhaps that's a fair assertion but only if the option you're proposing doesn't involve spending assets to acquire an EVEN weaker goalie option. I can see at least 3 options on the UFA market that are demonstrably better than Bernier (Kuemper, Holtby, and Campbell) and then a whole bunch who are pretty much in the same league- a group that includes current Oilers goalie Koskinen. Without even mentioning likely-available RFAs like Georgiev, your argument is already flaccid.

It's funny that you'd draw the comparison of EDM's goalie stats to Montembault but completely omit the fact that Bernier's own sv% and GAA are pretty much directly in-line with Koskinen's. (.902 & 3.08 Vs .901 & 3.11). Since your stated argument only relies on those goalie stats, your own proposed solution doesn't even work using your own stated reasoning. Do you intend to make the case that "Bernier's numbers only suffer because NJ is bad defensively"? In that case, the same applies to EDM's goalies who have been hung out to dry regularly. Both teams have bluelines with a skew towards being offensively-focused and a tendency for making glaring mistakes.

I'll ignore the "beggars can't be choosers" argument because that's just a rhetorical tool you're defensively deploying to defend your poor proposal. But you ARE right; the team can't sit around and make decisions that waste another year of McDavid and Draisaitl. As such, your offer makes zero sense for the Oilers as acquiring Bernier at any cost (let alone a 2nd+) would be doing exactly that.

If your proposal involved taking back Smith's contract while STILL retaining cap on Bernier, then there might be more merit to it.


Honestly I read like a quarter of that and stopped
29 mars 2022 à 10 h 23
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Honestly I read like a quarter of that and stopped


You shouldn't have stopped. You might learn something from reading it all.
29 mars 2022 à 10 h 27
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You shouldn't have stopped. You might learn something from reading it all.


Pass, no interest in learning about the Oilers. Joke of a franchise.
29 mars 2022 à 10 h 46
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Pass, no interest in learning about the Oilers. Joke of a franchise.


Nah, the point would be to learn something about your own inability to make or support a coherent argument, but you don't seem like the type that likes learning.
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29 mars 2022 à 10 h 47
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Pass, no interest in learning about the Oilers. Joke of a franchise.

Too bad, it would have helped you in areas you badly need, namely Logic & Reason.
29 mars 2022 à 11 h 48
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Too bad, it would have helped you in areas you badly need, namely Logic & Reason.


Like cheering for the Oilers - logical and reasonable. Get off my feed.
 
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