Remember Merrill signed a 3 yr deal earlier in the season.

I wouldn't mind getting Dillion (same goes for Chychrun, who I want). You're going to force a Dumba trade in the offseason, or Addison back in the AHL next season by getting him.

It’s gonna have to be a better return than what Chiarot got by a decent margin since Dillon has term. This deal doesn’t get it done. Also no retention from jets.

Yeah it would require some offseason shuffling, but I just really don’t like our current D corps. Dillon probably doesn’t make a ton of sense, but I’m just really having a hard time settling in with the current group. Even in sleeper matinee games like today where they won, I just don’t trust that backend.

Yeah low end for sure. Probably not a fit to MN, because I view this as close to our ceiling on price.

For jets to move Dillon it’s gonna require trading assets you wouldn’t want to give up

I mean I don’t want to give up a 2nd. And I don’t really want to give up McBain for anything other than a straight pick.

IMO, this is fair value for Dillon without the retention. So it’s maybe like a 3rd-5th off, depending how much 1M in retention costs for like 2.25 years

The Jets have no reason to trade Dillon and a couple of low to no value assets won't change their minds.

I've said that all year about the d-corps.

For the same cap hit, this team would be much better with Suter instead of Goli this year and Suter instead of Merrill the next 3 years after that.

A 2nd and McBain isn’t “low to no value.” Is it on the lower end considering retention? Yes. But it’s not peanuts and there’s no reason to be hyperbolic.

Yeah agreed. I have no idea how toxic Suter was in the locker room, but I hope it was pretty dang bad. Otherwise it’s a tough one for me to justify.

I guess regardless, it is what it is at this point. Im just trying to explore solutions. As you can see Winnipeg fans are blasting this one, so I guess this ain’t it. But I’d like to find something other than Merrill getting 19 minutes a night or whatever it is

A 2nd is okay value, McBain is minimal value since he's basically a UFA and Benn is pretty much worthless. It's definitely peanuts and doesn't give Winnipeg any reason to even discuss it before turning it down.

Benn is purely for roster size. He has a nothing cap hit and is UFA. It’s a non factor in the deal that’s purely administrative. He isn’t supposed to “do anything” for WPG, surprised that even requires explaining.

As for McBain, the assumption is that he would be willing to sign in WPG. It’s been reported that your team is interested, so presumably they put some degree of value on him. Whether or not it’s significant, neither of us can say.

Your argument for it being peanuts is flimsy. I’m not saying it’s great, but it’s not bad to the degree that you’re suggesting. It definitely opens a conversation.

The issue is, for a team like the jets to give up a defencmen that has been an important part of the team, they have absolutely zero reason to give him up unless their was an overpay. Benn, McBain and a second doesn’t get it done for them as they have little use for those assets. You’re gonna have to overpay to get that team to move him.

Yeah that’s just not accurate though. I mean that entire paragraph is riddled with flaws.

There’s not “absolutely zero” reason to move him. If the Jets decide they aren’t in a position to be contenders over the next 2 years, then that right there is incentive enough to consider moving Dillon. It’s the same concept behind the Hawks trading Hagel. And really that’s just a fundamental business 101 concept.

Also saying “they have little use for those assets”….what team doesn’t have use for a 2nd round pick? What a ridiculously naive thing to say.

I’m really not trying to snap back and defend this trade. I’ve said multiple times that I can appreciate it isn’t a fit. But I haven’t seen a single counter argument that makes any logical sense. So far it’s just been recycled misunderstandings over McBain and outright obliviousness with 2nd round picks.

Jets are looking at a retool and for them they want assets the can slot in next year. A 2nd won’t do anything for them for atleast 4 years, McBain is gonna be an AHL guy for atleast a year then a bottom 6 guy. Chicago is going for a full rebuild and they don’t have much of a core anymore. The jets still have a core that’s still pretty young so for them they are going to want a summer retool then expect to be back competing next year. Dillon has been solid for the jets and he’s the type of guy they want on their blue line so for them to trade him it’s going to require A) a hockey trade (Second LW) or a A prospect (lambos type) you can hate that proposal all you want but for the jets they have no need to make a move unless there is something that makes them better for next season.

No, you've made a typical fan proposal, where your team acquires a valuable, needed player while giving very little value in unneeded players. Of course it doesn't open a discussion for Dillon.

Why would Winnipeg consider moving a top 4 defenseman that they need and have no reason to trade for a couple assets that don't help the team now and don't play a position of need.

The Jets may like McBain, but they can just wait and sign him in the summer if he wants to go to Winnipeg.

Why would Winnipeg consider moving a player they have no reason to move and retain on him for an offer of peanuts that does very little to help them now or in the future?

Your bottom pair D doesn't have that much value, sorry.

And McBain isn't signing with anyone for free in August. He'll be traded, and the team that trades for him will sign him.

We're not talking about bottom pair defenseman and if McBain doesn't sign in Minnesota he won't likely sign in Winnipeg. Regardless his value is only maybe a 3rd.

Thank you - that’s an answer I can accept. I disagree with you on the value of Dillon, but at this point, that’s fine. I’m just glad to see an answer thats thought out.

Let’s just say Jets decline and move on.

Im not gonna rehash my argument again. I’ve expressed it enough in this thread. You clearly don’t have a solid grasp on the McBain situation, which in turn, is derailing the discussion.

Jets decline, fine. We can close it and move on.

If you could have at least provided logical reasoning as to why the Jets look at this, it might have been a productive discussion, but you obviously don't have a grasp on Winnipeg's roster situation and highly overvalue McBain which kind of detailed everything.

I already did above, if you can’t keep up, thats not my problem.

Below are 3 recent WPG fan created ACGMs that have Dillon being dealt for similar value. One of which is this exact same proposal sans retention. If you’re having trouble understanding why WPG would move Dillon at all, then it sounds like you’re just under researched. Which, sorry to say, wouldn’t surprise me considering how out of the loop you are on McBain.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3129624

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3116111

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3110474

Right. So you're reasoning is, 'other fans have made bad offers so I made one, why wouldn't a team listen''. I said you haven't presented a logical reason that would make a team realistically consider a lowball offer when they have no reason to and you still haven't.

At least educate yourself a little on how real trades actually work. Teams don't just trade good players for random, unneeded stuff. They always try to improve their team. And educate yourself on McBain, he becomes a free agent Aug 15, so why should Winnipeg give anything of value for him if he already wants to sign in Winnipeg?

Just repeating over and over that you think it's a good offer, when every single Jet fan has told you it isn't, doesn't make it a reasonable offer.

Lol k