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what i think a chiarot trade looks like now after the manson trade

Créé par: odyssey
Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 15 mars 2022
Publié: 15 mars 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
TOR
  1. Chiarot, Ben
Détails additionnels:
50% retained

after than manson trade (who is a better D man and shoots right) i doubt montreal gets the first and a third anymore
MTL
  1. Villeneuve, William
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (TOR)
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $79 008 116 $0 $400 000 $2 491 884 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
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UFA - 4
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1 645 000 $1 645 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 4
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 3
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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900 000 $900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
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950 000 $950 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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3 800 000 $3 800 000 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 3
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 3
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1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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894 167 $894 167 $
DG
UFA - 1
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1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
DG/DD
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UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
G
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
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UFA - 3

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15 mars 2022 à 20 h 0
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
yes, im aware how habs fans who think Chariot is good despite all evidence view me, they tell me all the time. Angry lot of kids , that.


knowing is half the battle! people often forget its just a sport in these forums
15 mars 2022 à 20 h 4
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
And now I’m going to quote a guy with whom I have frequent vigorous discussions:

"Funny, I was thinking the opposite. Manson is a better defender than Chiarot. Colorado has a very strong analytics department so they would have known that, of course.

5v5 On-ice Rels, this season
Chariot vs Manson
-2.66 CF% Rel +4.25
-3.65 GF% Rel +6.03
-5.15 xGF% Rel +0.72
-2.14 SCF% Rel +2.90
-6.54 HDCF% Rel +5.00
39.74 Off. Zone Start % 39.42

Manson’s shot-, goal-, scoring chance- and expected goal-suppression is far superior as he actually does good work in these areas, while Chiarot allows more of each than his teammates do. Chiarot has no advantage anywhere, not even in the scoring department:

0.31 Goals/60 0.32
0.68 Total Points/60 0.64
0.56 Primary Points/60 0.56
4.5 Shots/60 4.53
0.16 ixG/60 0.26
2.78 iSCF/60 3.26
0.43 iHDCF/60 1.11

Similar style, similar usage, but only one of these guys is effective at his job."

You can find further discussion on this point in https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/566100

You might find it enlightening.


That’s career stats. You’re adding in his 1st really good 3-4 seasons. Right. He was damn good his 1st 3-4 years. What about the last 3..? Three sub par seasons in a row.

The reason he brought back the value he did was the potential of getting back to those 1st really good seasons. Really, really good seasons. I agree. But not for 3 seasons in a row has he shown that/performed like that.

And you’re adding Chiarot’s 1st four sub par seasons. It’s minimizes his last 3 really good seasons.

Do those underlying stats/analytics for the last 3 seasons.
15 mars 2022 à 20 h 17
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
nah, i watch the games, unlike you who clearly just watch the ice time in the box scored


Lol all you do is quote the most popular analytic guys on twitter and then come on here and act like you know what you're talking about.
15 mars 2022 à 20 h 18
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
Lol all you do is quote the most popular analytic guys on twitter and then come on here and act like you know what you're talking about.


wow, you think jfresh is the most popular analytics guy on twitter? You really dont know anything about stats do you? He's not even in the top 10 and gets all his numbers from the actual stats guys. You should really look into that. Also watch the games, because then you would see chariot is bad with your own eyes
15 mars 2022 à 21 h 25
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Still with the Chiarot hate lol. Can we just all agree to have the argument after the deadline? Imo Chiarot is better and will get a better return. But we will see after Monday.
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15 mars 2022 à 22 h 7
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If MTL gets better value than Manson, does that means GMs sees him better than Manson ?


Yes.
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16 mars 2022 à 20 h 20
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Well manson is about 80x better, so by my calculations that means chariot should net the habs a negative 2nd rounder


HAHAHAHAHAHAH
16 mars 2022 à 20 h 21
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Quoting: HabsAreSus
HAHAHAHAHAHAH


note the word should, i never said he wouldnt get a 1st. I think it's hilarious that florida paid that much, it's a very stupid trade that made them worse
16 mars 2022 à 22 h 56
#34
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
note the word should, i never said he wouldnt get a 1st. I think it's hilarious that florida paid that much, it's a very stupid trade that made them worse


i still think the manson bundle was better, they got a solid prospect
17 mars 2022 à 2 h 43
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If MTL gets better value than Manson, does that means GMs sees him better than Manson ?


{In light of ensuing events, I owe you an amended response}

Yes.

And I was wrong about Chiarot. Dead wrong. Rasmus Ristolainen wrong -- and I was on the bad side of that one, too.
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17 mars 2022 à 22 h 46
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{In light of ensuing events, I owe you an amended response}

Yes.

And I was wrong about Chiarot. Dead wrong. Rasmus Ristolainen wrong -- and I was on the bad side of that one, too.


Helleson + 2nd is pretty equal to a 2023 1st RD pick IMO
Maybe Smilanic and a 4th push the return a little bit better but it’s both good return
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