We're not giving you Hagel unless Knies is involved. I don't care if you don't value him at that. We value him more than you do. You don't like it? Too bad so sad, cry about it.

Chicago's price is a 1st and a top prospect, If no teams pays up, Chicago happily keep Hagel. Let me just remind you Chicago doesn't want to trade him, it's other teams looking to acquire him.

and thats an overpay, if thats the case leafs should sell high on bunting, causes hes better and should get more. can you imagine the backlash leaf fans would get if they were suggest michael butning was worth all that and more?

Who are the insiders reporting that Chicago has turned down 4 offers including a first and A prospect?

Coleman was also 27 where Hagel is 23...MUCH higher ceiling on a 23 year old kid vs a guy in his prime. Especially considering Hagel production is currently greater than Coleman's was at the time.

What I would tell TOR fans to think about is. How much is Bunting worth to TOR? Now imagine you had Bunting for an extra year...and THEN an RFA.

That's it right here. They have no reason to move him. Cost controlled young winger who seems to be getting better and better constantly.

coleman also had much more experience with 2 20 goal years under his belt, lets not move the goal posts

buntings better

Coleman was 27 and in his prime. Hagel has the same production as Coleman, but it's his 2nd year in the NHL and he's 23. Much higher ceiling.

I mean, I'm on your side here, but I also don't think you can skip over the possession numbers. I also have a hard time buying a 21% shooting percentage. But, yes, the Hagel package should be similar.

Bunting plays with Matthews and Marner. It's a HELL of a top line. Make no mistake about it. BUT...The Hawks don't have a Matthews and Hagel only partially plays with Kane.

This is a dumb debate lol. Obviously Chicago is asking for more then what he's worth, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO REASON TO MOVE HIM. There is nothing more to it. We can compare him to Bunting, Coleman, etc. all day but Chicago is asking for more then the Leafs would be willing to give up, which is fine, as it would be great to have him, but he's doesn't take care of the Leaf's needs.

The A-Prospect part is not correct, but Frank Seravelli has reported offers of a 1st and prospect (make of that what you will).

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2022/02/nhl-rumors-blackhawks-rejecting-big.html

Thank you. If some people could understand this, we wouldn't even need to have this conversation.

But it's fun, no?

He has no history, this could be a complete one off for him.

I mean it gets kinda annoying after a while.

Not when you have the same conversation over...and over....and over......


And over again.

If you think he sucks then don't trade for him. BUT, you know better than that. It's why you traded for him.

Well he plays in our top 6 most of the season. Hawks don't have the offensive power to have true loaded lineup, so there has been a lot of shuffling from loading the top line to spreading the best players among the top 9 to give balance depending on matchup. However, when it comes down to the last 2 minutes of the game and Hawks are behind, you almost always see Kane, Cat and Hagel being on the ice the most mixed in a top 6 role.

That said, is Hagel worth a 1st and top prospect in isolation, no, but all we know is the hawks have declined at least 3 offers from teams that included a 1st and a good prospect and since they have no reason to trade hagel, the price is only dependent on what the Hawks will accept and 1 GM willing to give up not what fans or the market thinks he's worth.

Yeah part of having a convo is understanding the other persons point lol, which just isn't happening here.

It's also worth noting Coleman was only under contract for 1 more year and more expensive then a UFA....it's a horrible comparison in value.

I mean, if you're into prospects and picks more than actual wins, then sure, listen on Bunting. Guaranteed someone would absolutely send a solid package for him. Two playoff runs for under a mil? Sign me up. On here? Sure, you'd take some flack because large fan bases on here typically shoot for the moon when it comes to trading players, and people would likely get tired of the 45 "Bunting for a boatload" trades a day(See: Chiarot), but yes, a contending team would (should) offer a similar package for Bunting that a Hagel-type will command.

If I'm Chicago, I'm selling high on the 21% shooting percentage that is grossly unsustainable, but, given that he's pretty solid, cheap, etc., there's also no reason to just move him for the sake of moving him.

Circling back...main thing to remember here is that prospects and picks are for peasants. Not teams that have Stanley Cup aspirations. Tampa realized this, which is why they continue to be dominant. They got their core in place (Which the Leafs have done), continued to scout well in later rounds (Something that the Leafs *seem* to be doing), and snag a lot of undrafted kids out of the CHL to take a chance on. I get that prospecting is entertaining, but flags fly forever, dude.

I feel like this part is the part that just gets lost here all of the time. Trading players just for the sake of trading them is a pretty rare thing in the NHL. If someone comes along and makes you an offer that you can't refuse (I'd personally take a 1st+Knies, but I'm also not a Hawks fan) then sure, take it. If not, why do it?

Hagel has been in the league less than 2 years