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A New Defense for Playoffs

Créé par: AFox23
Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 25 févr. 2022
Publié: 25 févr. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Chiarot, Ben (1 750 000 $ retained)
MTL
  1. Dermott, Travis
  2. Rindell, Axel [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (TOR)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus (2 700 000 $ retained)
PHI
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (TOR)
3.
TOR
  1. Subban, P.K. (4 500 000 $ retained)
NJD
  1. Lyubushkin, Ilya
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
4.
TOR
  1. Kempný, Michal (1 250 000 $ retained)
WSH
  1. Dahlström, Carl
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
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UFA - 3
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 4
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 3
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1 645 000 $1 645 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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900 000 $900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
2 700 000 $2 700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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3 800 000 $3 800 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
0 $0 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 3
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1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Capitals de Washington
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
894 167 $894 167 $
DG
UFA - 1
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
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25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 5
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Chiarot and Risto my god you must hate analytics
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25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 6
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Heres Risto
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25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 9
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Wow.

That Washington trade would be something WSH would run with but would get you hung in the streets of Toronto. Kempny at best nets about a 6th round pick from a team desperate for a defenseman, his play this year hasn't been very good and Washington has no leverage since they will need to clear cap once Mantha returns. On this team you've built, he likely gets played out of a lineup spot by Sandin anyway.
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25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 13
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Flyers accept
25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 16
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Chiarot and Risto my god you must hate analytics


Yup, I do. They are mostly worthless. And can confuse player values. Most people have no idea what they are looking at with those charts. And have no idea how loose collection is and how the models are overwhelmed with every sort of bias just so they can 'fit' their data into their perceptions.

All of these 'chartmakers' are just clickbait social media accounts.
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25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 19
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good way to slip out of the playoffs all together
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25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 19
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Wow.

That Washington trade would be something WSH would run with but would get you hung in the streets of Toronto. Kempny at best nets about a 6th round pick from a team desperate for a defenseman, his play this year hasn't been very good and Washington has no leverage since they will need to clear cap once Mantha returns. On this team you've built, he likely gets played out of a lineup spot by Sandin anyway.


Yes - I really brought him in as experienced 7D. But someone was bound to say, "you traded for him and put him on bench" so I just stuck him on third pair for the ACGM.
25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 20
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Quoting: AFox23
Yup, I do. They are mostly worthless. And can confuse player values. Most people have no idea what they are looking at with those charts. And have no idea how loose collection is and how the models are overwhelmed with every sort of bias just so they can 'fit' their data into their perceptions.

All of these 'chartmakers' are just clickbait social media accounts.


lol, that explains it.
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25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 24
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Heres Risto


my favourite part is that the guy he made his screen name after is an absolute analytics gem. if i remember, Fox rates as a 96ish or so on these charts
25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 39
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
my favourite part is that the guy he made his screen name after is an absolute analytics gem. if i remember, Fox rates as a 96ish or so on these charts


Its because I am a Ranger Fan
25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 39
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lol, that explains it.


Why don't you try explaining them to me.

Who collects the raw data from games? Is it Instat? Do they now have people at games or is it automated? Does anyone check the data? Does the collector know how the models are built? How do different services arrive at different figures for same games/players? Why do players who fall out of NHL fall out of their models? If players are being measured on percentile, that seems to be relevant. Why don't they release passing statistics? (some data collection groups track them and there is a reason they don't release to media clients). How come all the other bells and whistles like coverage areas and reach aren't shared with media clients? Why are people even using per-60 stats when they know full well, no two players are going to see the same types of minutes making them statistically incomparable?
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25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 42
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why trade Lyubushkin, he is ok defensively, toronto should not do that
25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 43
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Why don't you try explaining them to me.

Who collects the raw data from games? Is it Instat? Do they now have people at games or is it automated? Does anyone check the data? Does the collector know how the models are built? How do different services arrive at different figures for same games/players? Why do players who fall out of NHL fall out of their models? If players are being measured on percentile, that seems to be relevant. Why don't they release passing statistics? (some data collection groups track them and there is a reason they don't release to media clients). How come all the other bells and whistles like coverage areas and reach aren't shared with media clients? Why are people even using per-60 stats when they know full well, no two players are going to see the same types of minutes making them statistically incomparable?


well for one, you can look up the numbers he uses yourself. they are publicly available and they all paint Risto as trash. You can also look up what these stats are and what they measure yourself too.
as far as the rest of the questions, you re just trying really really hard to dismiss something you clearly havent put an ounce of personal research into just because you dont wanna and it makes players you like look bad.
I am not going to do your homework for you, if you want a crash course in analytics that's on you.
At the end of the day, literally every person who understands analytics and looks at his numbers agrees that Risto (and chariot and other big slow bad defenders etc) are not good at defence because they do not limit shots, chances or goals against, they dont clear the puck out of the zone, they dont intercept high danger plays etc etc etc.
And the eye test backs all this up if you watch for anything that isnt a hit or a crosscheck
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25 févr. 2022 à 8 h 44
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Its because I am a Ranger Fan


and? it's still funny as hell that you named yourself after a chart superstar
25 févr. 2022 à 9 h 12
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You don't need analytics to know that trading away firsts from Risto and Subban are awful ideas.
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25 févr. 2022 à 9 h 38
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why trade Lyubushkin, he is ok defensively, toronto should not do that


That was my thought too. Not sure Devils would be interested in adding Lyubushkin as a rental.
25 févr. 2022 à 9 h 43
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That was my thought too. Not sure Devils would be interested in adding Lyubushkin as a rental.


If you look at the team they've built, it might be worth it - he's got Subban fully retained going for Lyub and a 2023 1st. And then he's got a TML team that needs 4-5 forwards, at least 2 defensemen, and a goalie, with ~$11M in cap space to do that. That 2023 1st might be special!
25 févr. 2022 à 9 h 45
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Quoting: craprt12
why trade Lyubushkin, he is ok defensively, toronto should not do that


i agree with you they just acquired him cant see them trading him for subban
25 févr. 2022 à 10 h 20
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Quoting: AFox23
Why don't you try explaining them to me.

Who collects the raw data from games? Is it Instat? Do they now have people at games or is it automated? Does anyone check the data? Does the collector know how the models are built? How do different services arrive at different figures for same games/players? Why do players who fall out of NHL fall out of their models? If players are being measured on percentile, that seems to be relevant. Why don't they release passing statistics? (some data collection groups track them and there is a reason they don't release to media clients). How come all the other bells and whistles like coverage areas and reach aren't shared with media clients? Why are people even using per-60 stats when they know full well, no two players are going to see the same types of minutes making them statistically incomparable?


It is useless to argue with Jared as he thinks analytics are the be all end all of player evaluation. There is a reason Dubas has not gotten a team with 4 superstar forwards and analytic gems out of the 1st round. Analytics are a tool and like many other tools on their own they are useless but when used CORRECTLY can be useful. Unlike how Jared uses them just to say players he doesn't like are bad. Chiarot is not an analytical dream and may not be a puck moving D man but he blocks shots, clears the front of the net, punishes players trying to enter his end of the ice with the puck, and is a great penalty killer. When paired with a puck moving D like Kulak or Romanov, he is very effective and the pairing thrives. The issues arise when he is paired with another less mobile D man like Savard as both are positional players instead of strong skaters.
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25 févr. 2022 à 12 h 15
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
lol, that explains it.


Toronto love analytics... How has that helped them in the playoffs?
25 févr. 2022 à 12 h 18
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
well for one, you can look up the numbers he uses yourself. they are publicly available and they all paint Risto as trash. You can also look up what these stats are and what they measure yourself too.
as far as the rest of the questions, you re just trying really really hard to dismiss something you clearly havent put an ounce of personal research into just because you dont wanna and it makes players you like look bad.
I am not going to do your homework for you, if you want a crash course in analytics that's on you.
At the end of the day, literally every person who understands analytics and looks at his numbers agrees that Risto (and chariot and other big slow bad defenders etc) are not good at defence because they do not limit shots, chances or goals against, they dont clear the puck out of the zone, they dont intercept high danger plays etc etc etc.
And the eye test backs all this up if you watch for anything that isnt a hit or a crosscheck


I guess Montreal didn't just school Leafs in the playoffs with Chiarot and Weber top pairing shutting down Matthews and Marner...
25 févr. 2022 à 12 h 19
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I guess Montreal didn't just school Leafs in the playoffs with Chiarot and Weber top pairing shutting down Matthews and Marner...


Yea, carey price bro
25 févr. 2022 à 12 h 20
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Toronto love analytics... How has that helped them in the playoffs?


Tampa too, and Colorado and vegas and Minnesota and Carolina and the new guy in florida.
Weird, all the best teams love analytics
25 févr. 2022 à 12 h 21
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Yea, carey price bro


yeah, Leafs always get "Goalied", its never that their team failed in certain aspects. Montembeault just "goalied" them hard eh?
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25 févr. 2022 à 12 h 22
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Tampa too, and Colorado and vegas and Minnesota and Carolina and the new guy in florida.
Weird, all the best teams love analytics


Montreal also beat Vegas. And Colorado, Minnestoa, Carolina, lots of playoff success eh?
 
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