The dreaded three-way deal

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Créé par: NHLfan10506

Équipe: 2021-22 Devils du New Jersey

Date de création initiale: 19 févr. 2022

Publié: 19 févr. 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Three-way trades always seem more off that two-way trades. I am rarely a big fan.

But I had an idea and wanted to craft one to see what it would look like.

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VAN gets ---
Pavel Zacha
Case McCarthy
Graeme Clarke
2022 1st round pick (TOR - #27)

VAN gives ---
Brock Boeser
Jaroslav Halák
2022 4th round pick (VAN - #109)

NJD gets ---
Brock Boeser
Timothy Liljegren
Rodion Amirov
Peter Mrazek
2022 4th round pick (VAN - #109)

NJD gives ---
Damon Severson
Jonathan Bernier
Pavel Zacha
Case McCarthy
Graeme Clark
$2.458m for 2021-22
$2.083m for 2022-23
2022 3rd round pick (NJD - #68)

TOR gets ---
Damon Severson (at 50%)
Jaroslav Halák (at 25% pre-bonus)
Jonathan Bernier (to LTIR)
2022 3rd round pick (NJD - #68)

TOR gives ---
Peter Mrazek
Timothy Liljegren
Rodion Amirov
2022 1st round pick (TOR - #27)

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This assumes no extensions are agreed to before trade. And other than Bernier, everyone else is healthy at time.

My goals were:

(1) Use cap space as an asset from New Jersey
(2) Get NHL players back for NJ (GM's stated goal)
(3) Get a 1st to VAN in the Zacha/Boeser trade
(4) Get a physical RD prospect to Vancouver
(5) Get top RD to Leafs to pair with Muzzin
(6) Remain cap-neutral on the Leafs

[Also, one of my questions...if Halak is retained, its just the salary, correct? not the bonus]

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I am sure others can come up with better iterations of this deal and would encourage them to do so.

Anything good here? What changes would you make?

Transactions

NJD

Amirov, Rodion
Liljegren, Timothy
Mrázek, Petr
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (TOR)

Détails additionnels:

Mrazek for Bernier (cap move)

Liljegren, prospect, 2nd for Severson

2nd becomes 1st with Severson's retention

TOR

Bernier, Jonathan
Severson, Damon (2 083 333 $ retained)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (NJD)

Détails additionnels:

Bernier goes to LTIR

NJD

Boeser, Brock
Halák, Jaroslav (750 000 $ retained)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (VAN)

Détails additionnels:

Canucks get their requests fulfilled: Zacha, a 1st, and a young physical RD

VAN

Clarke, Graeme
McCarthy, Case [Liste de réserve]
Zacha, Pavel
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (TOR)

NJD

Halak at $375k salary plus $1.25m bonus

Halak = $1.625m
Mrazek = $3.800m
Savings = $2.175m

Severson at 50% = $2.083m

TOR

Halák, Jaroslav (375 000 $ retained)

NJD

Back to ECHL

TOR

Gillies, Jon

Rachats de contrats

Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Will Butcher: 910 569 $ (24.39%)
Damon Severson: 2 083 333 $ (50%)
Jaroslav Halák: 375 000 $ (25%)

Frais appliqués

Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
25	81 500 000 $	69 357 235 $	0 $	4 132 500 $	12 142 765 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Bratt, Jesper 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Hughes, Jack 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) C UFA - 1	Sharangovich, Yegor 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 2
Holtz, Alexander 925 000 $925 000 $ AD, AG RFA - 4	Hischier, Nico 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ C UFA - 6	Boeser, Brock 5 875 000 $5 875 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Johnsson, Andreas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Mercer, Dawson 894 167 $894 167 $ (400 000 $$400K) AD, C RFA - 3	Tatar, Tomas 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Vesey, Jimmy 800 000 $800 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	McLeod, Michael 975 000 $975 000 $ C RFA - 2	Bastian, Nathan 825 000 $825 000 $ AD UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Graves, Ryan 3 166 667 $3 166 667 $ DG UFA - 2	Hamilton, Dougie 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 7	Mrázek, Petr 3 800 000 $3 800 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 3
Siegenthaler, Jonas 1 125 000 $1 125 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Subban, P.K. 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Daws, Nico 850 833 $850 833 $ (82 500 $$82K) G RFA - 3
Smith, Ty 863 333 $863 333 $ (400 000 $$400K) DG/DD RFA - 2	Liljegren, Timothy 863 333 $863 333 $ (400 000 $$400K) DD RFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Geertsen, Mason 725 000 $725 000 $ AG, DG UFA - 1		Blackwood, Mackenzie 2 800 000 $2 800 000 $ G UFA - 2
White, Colton 750 000 $750 000 $ DG UFA - 1		Thompson, Tyce 912 500 $912 500 $ (400 000 $$400K) AD RFA - 1
Jaros, Christian 800 000 $800 000 $ DD UFA - 1		Wood, Miles 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG UFA - 1
Studenic, Marian 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1		Kuokkanen, Janne 1 825 000 $1 825 000 $ AG, C UFA - 2
Boqvist, Jesper 925 000 $925 000 $ C, AG RFA - 1

19 févr. 2022 à 9 h 25

Tintin

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Big brain post.
I'm a fan of it.
Values seem fair to me, but Toronto's benefit could be substantially improved by also sending Ritchie's cap to NJD.

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19 févr. 2022 à 9 h 33

palhal

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Trading Bernier to the Leafs doesn't help the Leafs at all....it might be terrible for them if he comes back from LTIR.
Leafs need a goalie next, next year Mrzarek has to stay till at least the summer till the Campbell UFA is resolved (I think Campbell signs elsewhere)
Yes, Severson is an improvement this year and next year over Liljegren. But Liljegren is long term cap efficient and he is NHL capable Dman. Then adding Amirov and 1st just makes it impractical overpay for the Leafs.
I know it only two games, those back to back NJ/Toronto games just before the all star break. Severson was very bad on some Leafs goals. That's impressed on Dubas and Leafs fans.

19 févr. 2022 à 9 h 33

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Vancouver passes easily

19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 3

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I like this trade
Much much better than most of the three-team trades you see on this site

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19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 11

SPdevotee

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Can you trade LTIR relief mid-season or do you have to be accruing it all year?

My guess is the later

19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 18

T0R

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Quoting: palhal

Campbell isn’t going anywhere for 1. Secondly Liljegrens deal is up after this year but he is still an RFA.

19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 35

AustonMatthews3443

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I don't think this is all that bad really. Value could be tweaked a lil but considering all the moving pieces it's pretty well though out IMO. Nice post!

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19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 44

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Quoting: palhal

The number of Severson offers on ACGM appears to have increased since the played the Devils.
So hard to imagine interest has weakened.

19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 46

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: SPdevotee

Can you trade LTIR relief mid-season or do you have to be accruing it all year?

My guess is the later

This would be going forward. Essentially squeezing Severson & Halak into Mrazek's cap hit.

19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 46

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Quoting: sedin33

Vancouver passes easily

What needs were left unmet?

19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 50

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

What needs were left unmet?

Need at least one of NJ’s first, L. Hughes or Holtz to be the main piece coming back

19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 51

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palhal

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

The number of Severson offers on ACGM appears to have increased since the played the Devils.
So hard to imagine interest has weakened.

Well it's mostly from NJ fans or Leafs fans, where 90% of the Severson trades are having him going to the Leafs. Truthfully I really don't see the fit for him as Leaf, for what it might cost to get him. Leafs have four NHLers now who can play the right side.

19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 52

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Quoting: sedin33

Need at least one of NJ’s first, L. Hughes or Holtz to be the main piece coming back

That's laughable. You're not getting either Holtz or Hughes back

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19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 52

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Quoting: T0R

Campbell isn’t going anywhere for 1. Secondly Liljegrens deal is up after this year but he is still an RFA.

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Campbell isn't going anywhere? Well you think a signed deal would have been in place if that was the case. Wishful thinking isn't reality.

19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 53

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Quoting: Devil

That's laughable. You're not getting either Holtz or Hughes back

And then you’re not getting Boeser. Works for us

19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 54

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Quoting: sedin33

And then you’re not getting Boeser. Works for us

Ok biased Canucks fan

19 févr. 2022 à 10 h 56

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sedin33

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Quoting: Devil

Ok biased Canucks fan

Sure biased NJ fan

19 févr. 2022 à 11 h 9

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Quoting: sedin33

Need at least one of NJ’s first, L. Hughes or Holtz to be the main piece coming back

This is just fantasy land though. They are all worth more than Boeser at this point, especially without a contract.

All of the rumors to date fall in line with most people expectations (including many VAN fans) that it would be Zacha, prospect, non-1st pick. I had posted a summary of many recent Boeser to NJD trades that were sent by VAN fans. It’s a wide range, but that is the type of menu VAN would be choosing from.

So the question becomes what sort of prospect fills a need for Vancouver. Some have said physical RD, some have said right-shot Center, some have said straight picks.

I added Case McCarthy, a physical two-way RD who has experience playing with some offensive LD (Fensore, Farrance, York) and had success. I also added Graeme Clarke whose skillset is probably somewhat similar to Boesers stylistically. Could be a Boeser-lite someday if he stays healthy. Other options I considered: Fabian Zetterlund, Nate Schnarr, Reilly Walsh (although we’d prefer to keep him), Nikita Okhotiuk. All of these names would be top-5 guys in Vancouver’s prospect pool (some top-3 and Walsh would be #1).

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19 févr. 2022 à 11 h 12

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Keep them all. We’ll stick with Boeser

19 févr. 2022 à 11 h 29

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really dont think toronto accepts this but who knows

19 févr. 2022 à 11 h 38

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Quoting: Vermathex

really dont think toronto accepts this but who knows

Cap is a big thing there.

Also, I don’t know why they just don’t pull a Vegas/Tampa and put a big contract on LTIR until game 1 of playoffs.

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