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2022 1st Round with descriptions

2022 1st Round with descriptions

Cuvée de repêchage: 2022
Créé par: TZ11
Publié: 16 févr. 2022 à 11 h 31
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1Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie-Flyers stick to the (as of now) consensus 1OA. They might enter a rebuild and Wright, who might be a 1st line Center one day, could become „Giroux’s heir“ (1st line C, essential cornerstone of the team).
2Logo de Sabres de Buffalo-Buffalo goes BPA, can’t go wrong with Cooley anywhere in this draft. He has no obvious weaknesses and especially his skating and Hockey IQ project to be elite at the NHL-level. Buffalo gets a player who (I think) will fit nicely into their Top 6 in front of of Cozens at Center.
3Logo de Canadiens de Montréal-Savoie has 1st line potential and can play both Wing and Center. The only other player who they should consider taking at 3 is Nemec, but their prospect pool is very deep on the backend and I think they should pick a forward.
4Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona-Coyotes go BPA. Nemec could be their #1 D-man of the future. If they keep Chychrun, which I doubt, that first pairing could be one of the league’s best.
5Logo de Kraken de Seattle-Kemell has Top 6, maybe even 1st line, upside and could work well with Beniers. Seattle gets a player that could be an important part to their Forward core as a goal-scoring, play-driving threat who’s a specialist on the PP.
6Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa-Ottawa sees the potential and takes Lambert at 6. He could complete their Top 6 and could either be a RW or a C. Although he has struggled, the potential is there and he still looks good, even though his point production hasn’t been great.
7Logo de Devils du New Jersey-The Devils need help defensively. Jiricek isn’t a shutdown specialist but an Offensive D-man. Nevertheless they need help on the backend and he still has time to improve him defensive game. A Top 4 consisting of Hughes, Siegenthaler, Hamilton and Jiricek would be scary.
8Logo de Islanders de New York-Isles help their offense greatly with this pick. It’s between Slafkovsky and Yurov here and they can’t go wrong with either. In the end they go with the more physical Slafkovsky who also impressed at the Olympics.
9Logo de Blue Jackets de ColumbusLogo de Blackhawks de ChicagoColumbus take the best available. Since they have two high picks they can go position specific with the second pick. With another great Winger prospect, it seems easier to have Johnson play C at the NHL-level. Even if he doesn’t, this makes their forward prospect depth even better.
10Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus-Apart from Ceulemans, I don’t see much NHL potential with Columbus’s RHD prospects. With Casey, they get a player with Top 4 upside who could make their D-core lethal in the future.
11Logo de Sharks de San Jose-Lekkerimäki is the obvious choice for SJS. He’s Eklund’s linemate and they have insane chemistry. He also fits the mold of who they should be drafting apart from the previously mentioned factors. He’s also in the conversation for BPA at 11.
12Logo de Jets de Winnipeg-Winnipeg needs help on the backend, they can’t rely on Hellebuyck playing out of his mind all of the time. Mateychuk might be a reach, but he’s the best Defenseman available.
13Logo de Red Wings de Detroit-The Red Wings could really use a Top 6 C and while Geekie might not be that, he does have 2nd line upside. He’s a bit of a project, as his skating, play driving and off-puck play need improvement, but nothing that can’t be fixed.
14Logo de Canucks de Vancouver-RD would be Vancouver’s biggest need, but I don’t think Nelson, who’s the only RHD that should be considered, fits the system. He would be yet another offensive Defenseman. I think Myrenberg and Woo have NHL potential and they can still pick a Defenseman in the 2nd Round. With Nazar they get the best player available who has 2nd line upside (in this scenario they also trade away at least one of Boeser and Miller).
15Logo de Stars de Dallas-Dallas’ Forward prospect pool is pretty good already, but their Defense behind Harley isn’t great. Therefore they take arguably BPA in Nelson who could help compensate the loss of Klingberg.
16Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton-Same goes for Edmonton. Their prospect pool isn’t deep at defense behind Broberg and Samorukov and their defense isn’t good to begin with. Chesley is a bit of a reach but it might be worth it.
17Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim-BPA is basically tie between Trikozov, McGroarty and Östlund. Anaheim takes the underrated Trikozov because they’re set up pretty well at C and a Winger like Trikozov could fit into the lineup very well. If they develop him right, they could get a 2nd line Playmaker out of this pick.
18Logo de Kings de Los Angeles-Kings go BPA and take McGroarty who’s fallen a bit. It would be yet another Center, but they don’t have a particular need as of my knowledge. And they might trade for Chychrun which would likely cost one of their better young Centers.
19Logo de Bruins de Boston-Bruins fill a need and go BPA at the same time. They have a hole to fill at Center which might become even bigger, depending on what Bergeron does.
20Logo de Canadiens de MontréalLogo de Flames de CalgaryThis makes sense for Montreal in the sense that they just traded Toffoli and the future is unsure concerning guys like Hoffman and Gallagher.
21Logo de Sabres de BuffaloLogo de Golden Knights de VegasThe Sabres need help on their right side and while Luneau is a bit of a reach, he wouldn’t be a bad pick.
22Logo de Blues de St-Louis-The Blues should take the best available and that, to me, is Kasper. He has Middle 6 upside and could be the 3C behind O’Reilly and Thomas.
23Logo de Predators de Nashville-The Predators take a Defenseman who’s one of the best still on the board. Their prospect pool is a bit thin on Defense and with Mintyukov they could definitely get a 4th / 5th Defenseman.
24Logo de Capitals de Washington-A bit of a gamble by the Caps. Miro is a project and it’ll take a lot of time to turn him into an NHLer if he ever becomes one. If they’re lucky / develop him well, they get a goal scoring Middle 6 LW who can learn from Ovi.
25Logo de Wild du Minnesota-The Wild take BPA at a position that still isn’t all that great. They obviously have Eriksson Ek and Rossi and Hartman is playing great, but we don’t know if he keeps it up. And after all, Mesar can play all Forward positions, so even if they don’t need a Center in 2-3 years, they can also play him on either Wing.
26Logo de Rangers de New York-The Rangers take DBB who is among the best they can pick at 26 and they need C’s anyway, looking at the unknown future of Strome.
27Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto-Gauthier could be a good fit for the Leafs. LW is still their weakest position. Robertson has been a bit injury-prone and I’m unsure if he can become what many Leafs fans hope he’ll be one day. Gauthier is, once again, in conversation for being the best available.
28Logo de Coyotes de l'ArizonaLogo de Hurricanes de la CarolineArizona picked a Defenseman with their first pick, so they take a versatile Forward with their second pick.
29Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh’s left side could use some improvement. Dumoulin’s future after next season is unknown and I don’t think Pettersson is going to have a large impact in a few years. Korchinski could be a steal and even without looking at need, it’s worth considering him.
30Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay-Tampa take a forward with Middle 6 upside. Palat and Killorn are both over 30 and they’ll need someone to slot into their Top 9 on the left side sometime in the future. Öhgren could be that player.
31Logo de Sabres de BuffaloLogo de Panthers de la FlorideBPA
32Logo de Coyotes de l'ArizonaLogo de Avalanche du ColoradoBPA
16 févr. 2022 à 13 h 45
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Very good picks and explanations
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Very good picks and explanations


Thanks!
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16 févr. 2022 à 13 h 50
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this is pretty damn good

the only issue I can talk about is Montreal, we grab Savoie which is solid but im not a fan of also grabbing Howard. I like Howard but another small playmaking winger isn't great. id love for them to grab one of Cutter Gauthier or Ivan Miroshnichenko. Big wingers who can shoot. If we got a third first round pick for Chiarot which it sounds like we might id like a high upside player like trikosov, Mintyukov or possibly a safer pick in power forward Nathan Gaucher
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this is pretty damn good

the only issue I can talk about is Montreal, we grab Savoie which is solid but im not a fan of also grabbing Howard. I like Howard but another small playmaking winger isn't great. id love for them to grab one of Cutter Gauthier or Ivan Miroshnichenko. Big wingers who can shoot. If we got a third first round pick for Chiarot which it sounds like we might id like a high upside player like trikosov, Mintyukov or possibly a safer pick in power forward Nathan Gaucher


I definitely understand that. I see very big question marks with Miroshnichenko and I just don't like the thought of picking him in the Top 20.
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Note on the Vancouver pick: I realized that I picked Chesley two picks later and my statement may not make much sense considering that. He would fit well into the Canucks' system imo. Let's just say in this scenario, Vancouver isn't as desperate as Edmonton and doesn't want to reach for Chesley who they have in the late 20's.
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I definitely understand that. I see very big question marks with Miroshnichenko and I just don't like the thought of picking him in the Top 20.

I’d be nervous if it were a different situation, But the Habs already have picked in the draft and might have another first and a decent prospect pool. All I keep seeing with Ivan is big, strong, physical with a booming shot. Worth the swing with a second pick
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I’d be nervous if it were a different situation, But the Habs already have picked in the draft and might have another first and a decent prospect pool. All I keep seeing with Ivan is big, strong, physical with a booming shot. Worth the swing with a second pick


The other side of the coin is poor Hockey IQ, not much of a toolkit, inconsistency and rash decision-making. And my view is that Hockey IQ can't really be taught at that age unlike skating for example (depends on the player with skating).
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The other side of the coin is poor Hockey IQ, not much of a toolkit, inconsistency and rash decision-making. And my view is that Hockey IQ can't really be taught at that age unlike skating for example (depends on the player with skating).


defiantly some issue which is why he's falling this far. I just think that his size and shot combination are very hard to find and if he could tone down that rash decision making you could have something special on your hands. like Howard for example I think you can find a thousand others like him in this draft alone, Miroshnichenko not many like him.

if a team was using their first pick on him id be concerned but with the habs having used one pick, maybe having another, having a top 3 pick of the second round I think its worth it.

lots of risk but also lots of upside
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I’d be nervous if it were a different situation, But the Habs already have picked in the draft and might have another first and a decent prospect pool. All I keep seeing with Ivan is big, strong, physical with a booming shot. Worth the swing with a second pick


I'd be hesitant to pick Miro in the late 10's, too much boom or bust, he has an elite shot, he can skate, he's physical, he has a pretty good forecheck, but his consistency/effort leaves a lot to be desired, his passing isn't great and he tends to shoot over passing which leads to some bad shots o goal and puts his vision under question, his defence also needs work
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I'd be hesitant to pick Miro in the late 10's, too much boom or bust, he has an elite shot, he can skate, he's physical, he has a pretty good forecheck, but his consistency/effort leaves a lot to be desired, his passing isn't great and he tends to shoot over passing which leads to some bad shots o goal and puts his vision under question, his defence also needs work


understood, but lets lay out a likely situation. habs pick savoie or cooley 2/3. they then pick 20(Chiarot trade) as this draft above says and they pick 25(Toffoli trade)

would you not be willing to grab Miroshnichenko at 20? to me the aforementioned skills are worth the swing for a team that already picked top 3 and especially one with another pick in the 20's and a top 3 second round pick
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understood, but lets lay out a likely situation. habs pick savoie or cooley 2/3. they then pick 20(Chiarot trade) as this draft above says and they pick 25(Toffoli trade)

would you not be willing to grab Miroshnichenko at 20? to me the aforementioned skills are worth the swing for a team that already picked top 3 and especially one with another pick in the 20's and a top 3 second round pick


In that scenario I'd probably pick Miro with pick 25 if he's still there
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Well done dude!

I feel Juraj Slafkovsky performance is going to see him jump (possible into the top 5). I get a lot of Rantanen vibes.
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In that scenario I'd probably pick Miro with pick 25 if he's still there

how do you know he's going to be there? are you such a big fan of Howard or whoever you pick at 20 that you desperately need to pick him

my point is simply you also have picks 25 and 35 in this scenario and at 20 the potential 40 goal scorer is worth the swing. to me you can still play it safe with your other two picks or pick 25 if that what your wanting to do. I don't want to be looking back in 5 years seeing that we could have picked up that big, strong 40 goal scorer and didn't.

take Miroshnichenko at 20 and play the field at 25 and 35 and you'll be fine
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how do you know he's going to be there? are you such a big fan of Howard or whoever you pick at 20 that you desperately need to pick him

my point is simply you also have picks 25 and 35 in this scenario and at 20 the potential 40 goal scorer is worth the swing. to me you can still play it safe with your other two picks or pick 25 if that what your wanting to do. I don't want to be looking back in 5 years seeing that we could have picked up that big, strong 40 goal scorer and didn't.

take Miroshnichenko at 20 and play the field at 25 and 35 and you'll be fine


There are players who will be better options at 20 than Miro, that's pretty much a guarantee, that's why i wouldn't pick him there.
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There are players who will be better options at 20 than Miro, that's pretty much a guarantee, that's why i wouldn't pick him there.


guess ill say my final statement and leave it at that

to avoid taking Miroshnichenko at 20 in this scenario you'd have to find a player that will be at least a top 4 d or top 6 60pts player that also won't be available at 25.

based on that above, maybe Howard, maybe Mintyukov, maybe Gauthier, maybe ohgren. but at least one should be available at 25

im just saying that unless your getting a top 4 d or 60 pts forward I don't see why you'd be in such a rush to pass in Miroshnichenko

picking in the 20's is where you look for extremely high reward players or very safe players like Gaucher. To me the upside of Miroshnichenko greatly exceeds the upside of all the other picks in the 20's. don't play it too safe especially when you have another pick in 5 spots and one 10 spots after that

to me you take him at 20 and grab one of the falling players at 25, Howard, Gaucher, Gauthier, ohgren
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Well done dude!

I feel Juraj Slafkovsky performance is going to see him jump (possible into the top 5). I get a lot of Rantanen vibes.


Thanks!

Interestingly enough he's my exact comparison...
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guess ill say my final statement and leave it at that

to avoid taking Miroshnichenko at 20 in this scenario you'd have to find a player that will be at least a top 4 d or top 6 60pts player that also won't be available at 25.

based on that above, maybe Howard, maybe Mintyukov, maybe Gauthier, maybe ohgren. but at least one should be available at 25

im just saying that unless your getting a top 4 d or 60 pts forward I don't see why you'd be in such a rush to pass in Miroshnichenko

picking in the 20's is where you look for extremely high reward players or very safe players like Gaucher. To me the upside of Miroshnichenko greatly exceeds the upside of all the other picks in the 20's. don't play it too safe especially when you have another pick in 5 spots and one 10 spots after that

to me you take him at 20 and grab one of the falling players at 25, Howard, Gaucher, Gauthier, ohgren


The thing is that it'll be hard to get Miro to that level. To me DBB, Gauthier, Snuggerud, Howard and Mesar all have the upside Miro has. I would be in a rush to pass on him because he's a huge project and you could get a similar if not better player out of the pick without having to invest as much into the development. You have to teach Miroshnichenko the game properly. He doesn't think ahead of the game (doesn't see passing lanes in beforehand, etc.), has hasty decision-making and can turn into liability at times because of that. He isn't creative and it seems like he can't put all of his raw skills together to create a toolkit.

This article sums it up quite well: https://dobberprospects.com/2021/12/28/prospect-ramblings-gleb-trikozov-vs-ivan-miroshnichenko-toolkit-vs-tools/#google_vignette
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The thing is that it'll be hard to get Miro to that level. To me DBB, Gauthier, Snuggerud, Howard and Mesar all have the upside Miro has. I would be in a rush to pass on him because he's a huge project and you could get a similar if not better player out of the pick without having to invest as much into the development. You have to teach Miroshnichenko the game properly. He doesn't think ahead of the game (doesn't see passing lanes in beforehand, etc.), has hasty decision-making and can turn into liability at times because of that. He isn't creative and it seems like he can't put all of his raw skills together to create a toolkit.

This article sums it up quite well: https://dobberprospects.com/2021/12/28/prospect-ramblings-gleb-trikozov-vs-ivan-miroshnichenko-toolkit-vs-tools/#google_vignette


couple of things I see here. both you and the man in the article seem to be unfairly judging him solely off of his vhl play while taking trikosov at his mhl play

Miroshnichenko ends up rushing play at times and forcing shots because he's in a league that is much more difficult than the mhl. when he's in the junior tournaments this isn't such a problem.

you both also seem to not value the finishing aspect of the game. the man in the article stated that scoring won't be a problem at any level for Miroshnichenko and hell easily score 20 or 30

now you have a 30 goal scorer that can skate and hit. stick him on a line with Caufield and Suzuki and your set. as he ages and becomes more conformable the game will slow down for him and make those decisions easier
another thing is that his "rash decision making" is an identical trait to mr Brendan Gallagher. Gallagher rushes passes and forces passing lanes that aren't there instead of holding onto the puck and waiting for the lane to open up. He also rushes shots and forces sots from low danger areas. but ill take those weaker aspects of his game as he haas other shinning aspects

Also in terms of upside ill pick out Howard, he's small, an average skater with decent hands and good passing abilities. he's probably Johnathan Drouin. 20 goals as a high and 40 assist as a high. Miroshnichenko has 40 goal ceiling that could easily be reached


I have zero problem with trikosov and Howard as individual players but for me Miroshnichenko is the player to pick in this situation which is you've already picked savoie/cooley and have a third pick 5 spots later and a 4 pick 10 spots after that.

4 of the players you listed you have them taken after Miroshnichenko so your argument is slightly confusing as the habs are arguably in a better spot to take that massive swing compared to the caps


I believe that some people are taking a bit of an extreme position on Miroshnichenko as he's still considered a top 10 prospect by many and they're hoping that they can say that they new Miroshnichenko wouldn't work and that gives them more of an audience.

Ill take my chances with the big, strong, physical kid who can skate and absolutely rip the puck and hope that one of your aforementioned players is available with pick 25 which 4 of the 5 are
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A lot to digest here, but I'll go step-by-step:

Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
couple of things I see here. both you and the man in the article seem to be unfairly judging him solely off of his vhl play while taking trikosov at his mhl play

Miroshnichenko ends up rushing play at times and forcing shots because he's in a league that is much more difficult than the mhl. when he's in the junior tournaments this isn't such a problem.


It's obviously not as much of a problem, but it's still a negative factor. It's a weaker league and things like that don't affect the game as much. But Trikozov does all of it a lot better at the VHL level as well and just looks better overall.

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you both also seem to not value the finishing aspect of the game. the man in the article stated that scoring won't be a problem at any level for Miroshnichenko and hell easily score 20 or 30

now you have a 30 goal scorer that can skate and hit. stick him on a line with Caufield and Suzuki and your set. as he ages and becomes more conformable the game will slow down for him and make those decisions easier


He never says he'll score 20 or 30 "easily". In fact he says that's what he could do at his ceiling and if everything goes right. "[...]to project him as a 20- or even 30-goal scorer at any level if he reaches his ceiling".

His shot is great. It could use some sharpening in terms of aim, especially on wrist shots, but it's among the best of the draft. If that weren't so, he would be far lower. Ditto the skating. I wouldn't say he's a hitter but it's above average.

We have no idea how that line would look. They might have 0 chemistry. And some players just never get to the level of Hockey IQ that most NHL Top 6 players have and the same could go for Miro, who knows.

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another thing is that his "rash decision making" is an identical trait to mr Brendan Gallagher. Gallagher rushes passes and forces passing lanes that aren't there instead of holding onto the puck and waiting for the lane to open up. He also rushes shots and forces sots from low danger areas. but ill take those weaker aspects of his game as he haas other shinning aspects

Also in terms of upside ill pick out Howard, he's small, an average skater with decent hands and good passing abilities. he's probably Johnathan Drouin. 20 goals as a high and 40 assist as a high. Miroshnichenko has 40 goal ceiling that could easily be reached


Could be the case for Gallagher, but with Miro it doesn't work all the time which makes it a liability. If it has a high success rate, great. But it doesn't really.

In fact I have Drouin as a comparable for Miroshnichenko. (My comps are style-based.) Not 100% sure it works well, but it's the best I could come up with. Miroshnichenko might have that ceiling if everything imaginable goes right and something magically clicks in his head and his Hockey sense becomes above average. But more likely than not he won't become a 40 goal scorer. And his ceiling is the exact opposite of being "easily" reachable, as I've said already. He's a project and his development will take time and a lot of effort and even then its's very well possible he never pans out.

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4 of the players you listed you have them taken after Miroshnichenko so your argument is slightly confusing as the habs are arguably in a better spot to take that massive swing compared to the caps


I believe that some people are taking a bit of an extreme position on Miroshnichenko as he's still considered a top 10 prospect by many and they're hoping that they can say that they new Miroshnichenko wouldn't work and that gives them more of an audience.

Ill take my chances with the big, strong, physical kid who can skate and absolutely rip the puck and hope that one of your aforementioned players is available with pick 25 which 4 of the 5 are


Same upside =/= gets picked higher. This is a mock draft not a ranking. Miro has great raw tools (skating, shooting, forecheck, etc.) and I think some teams might value those higher than a toolkit. But the main reason he was picked there is that I wanted to have Miro on the Caps because I like the idea of him learning a couple things from Ovi. Not because I think he's the best choice.

Weird statement. Because some see some problems in a prospect, they're automatically attention-seekers? Miro is dividing scouts. Some don't see the problems or think they can be worked around rather easily. I, personally, don't think so. But Hopefully he proves me wrong.

On eliteprospects.com 7/12 have him in the Top 10 (not including Central scouting since that's only Europe). Take out Craig Button and Sportsnet, as I feel their rankings are always all over the place and differ a lot from most other scouts. That leaves 5/10 scouts that have Miro in their Top 10. Pretty much what I expected. But I wouldn't really call that "many".
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A lot to digest here, but I'll go step-by-step:



It's obviously not as much of a problem, but it's still a negative factor. It's a weaker league and things like that don't affect the game as much. But Trikozov does all of it a lot better at the VHL level as well and just looks better overall.



He never says he'll score 20 or 30 "easily". In fact he says that's what he could do at his ceiling and if everything goes right. "[...]to project him as a 20- or even 30-goal scorer at any level if he reaches his ceiling".

His shot is great. It could use some sharpening in terms of aim, especially on wrist shots, but it's among the best of the draft. If that weren't so, he would be far lower. Ditto the skating. I wouldn't say he's a hitter but it's above average.

We have no idea how that line would look. They might have 0 chemistry. And some players just never get to the level of Hockey IQ that most NHL Top 6 players have and the same could go for Miro, who knows.



Could be the case for Gallagher, but with Miro it doesn't work all the time which makes it a liability. If it has a high success rate, great. But it doesn't really.

In fact I have Drouin as a comparable for Miroshnichenko. (My comps are style-based.) Not 100% sure it works well, but it's the best I could come up with. Miroshnichenko might have that ceiling if everything imaginable goes right and something magically clicks in his head and his Hockey sense becomes above average. But more likely than not he won't become a 40 goal scorer. And his ceiling is the exact opposite of being "easily" reachable, as I've said already. He's a project and his development will take time and a lot of effort and even then its's very well possible he never pans out.



Same upside =/= gets picked higher. This is a mock draft not a ranking. Miro has great raw tools (skating, shooting, forecheck, etc.) and I think some teams might value those higher than a toolkit. But the main reason he was picked there is that I wanted to have Miro on the Caps because I like the idea of him learning a couple things from Ovi. Not because I think he's the best choice.

Weird statement. Because some see some problems in a prospect, they're automatically attention-seekers? Miro is dividing scouts. Some don't see the problems or think they can be worked around rather easily. I, personally, don't think so. But Hopefully he proves me wrong.

On eliteprospects.com 7/12 have him in the Top 10 (not including Central scouting since that's only Europe). Take out Craig Button and Sportsnet, as I feel their rankings are always all over the place and differ a lot from most other scouts. That leaves 5/10 scouts that have Miro in their Top 10. Pretty much what I expected. But I wouldn't really call that "many".


Not sure how in the world you got Drouin as a comparable. drouins shot is weak, he's physically weak and two of his biggest problems are not wanting to shoot the puck and holding onto the puck for two long instead of making nice pass, he ends up losing the puck for nothing. literally the polar opposite of Miroshnichenko

Not saying you or even the guy in the article are doing this as he has him ranked 20th which funny enough is where I've been arguing the habs should take him in this scenario and he has him ranked ahead of all the guys you want to take over Miroshnichenko. obviously one man's opinion but I "feared" he had him outside of the first round or something absurd like eliteprospetcs. some people defiantly take harsh views on "controversial" players hoping that their view is correct and they can use it as their "claim to fame" I believe Craig Button who you dont seem to like does this from time to time

our whole conversation seems to come down to me wanting Miroshnichenko to be picked at 20 in this situation by Montreal due to his immense upside generated by outstanding tools
you don't seem to like him because of his lack of vision and his poor "hockey iq"
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Not sure how in the world you got Drouin as a comparable. drouins shot is weak, he's physically weak and two of his biggest problems are not wanting to shoot the puck and holding onto the puck for two long instead of making nice pass, he ends up losing the puck for nothing. literally the polar opposite of Miroshnichenko

Not saying you or even the guy in the article are doing this as he has him ranked 20th which funny enough is where I've been arguing the habs should take him in this scenario and he has him ranked ahead of all the guys you want to take over Miroshnichenko. obviously one man's opinion but I "feared" he had him outside of the first round or something absurd like eliteprospetcs. some people defiantly take harsh views on "controversial" players hoping that their view is correct and they can use it as their "claim to fame" I believe Craig Button who you dont seem to like does this from time to time

our whole conversation seems to come down to me wanting Miroshnichenko to be picked at 20 in this situation by Montreal due to his immense upside generated by outstanding tools
you don't seem to like him because of his lack of vision and his poor "hockey iq"


It's a comparable to Drouin on draft day. At least what I somewhat remember hearing about him before the Draft back then. You are correct that it doesn't work with current-day-Drouin.

Having him outside of the first round isn't particularly absurd. It depends on how much you value certain aspects of the game. And "all the guys" I "want to take over Miroshnichenko", I don't want to. I just said they have similar upside because you said he has insane upside and I simply don't think that.

You are correct with that assessment. In the end, it does likely make somewhat sense for the Habs to pick him. I think I was more viewing this as a "any pick"-situation instead of specifically the Habs pick even though I knew which pick it was about. I now want to take back this "I would be in a rush to pass on him because he's a huge project". He shouldn't be rushed to pass on. I just don't like the thought of using a high pick on him, but since the Habs have multiple 1sts, it's fine. But, for example, I wouldn't want the Ducks to pick him at 17 here.
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I think Kasper and Mironichenko should be higher. Otherwise very good list and explanations
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I love the Miro pick for DC. If anyone has the players to get Miro to his potential, I think it would have to be DC. Who knows, getting a chance to play with Ovi, Kuzy, and the rest of the Russian(and Belarusian) gang in DC could be enough to get him to his full potential.
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I think Kasper and Mironichenko should be higher. Otherwise very good list and explanations


Talked about Miro a lot in this thread. He shouldn't go higher than 20 in my opinion.
 
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