Modifié 16 févr. 2022 à 19 h 20
A lot to digest here, but I'll go step-by-step:
Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
couple of things I see here. both you and the man in the article seem to be unfairly judging him solely off of his vhl play while taking trikosov at his mhl play
Miroshnichenko ends up rushing play at times and forcing shots because he's in a league that is much more difficult than the mhl. when he's in the junior tournaments this isn't such a problem.
It's obviously not
as much of a problem, but it's still a negative factor. It's a weaker league and things like that don't affect the game as much. But Trikozov does all of it a lot better at the VHL level as well and just looks better overall.
Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
you both also seem to not value the finishing aspect of the game. the man in the article stated that scoring won't be a problem at any level for Miroshnichenko and hell easily score 20 or 30
now you have a 30 goal scorer that can skate and hit. stick him on a line with Caufield and Suzuki and your set. as he ages and becomes more conformable the game will slow down for him and make those decisions easier
He never says he'll score 20 or 30 "easily". In fact he says that's what he could do at his ceiling and if everything goes right. "[...]to project him as a 20- or even 30-goal scorer at any level if he reaches his ceiling".
His shot is great. It could use some sharpening in terms of aim, especially on wrist shots, but it's among the best of the draft. If that weren't so, he would be far lower. Ditto the skating. I wouldn't say he's a hitter but it's above average.
We have no idea how that line would look. They might have 0 chemistry. And some players just never get to the level of Hockey IQ that most NHL Top 6 players have and the same could go for Miro, who knows.
Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
another thing is that his "rash decision making" is an identical trait to mr Brendan Gallagher. Gallagher rushes passes and forces passing lanes that aren't there instead of holding onto the puck and waiting for the lane to open up. He also rushes shots and forces sots from low danger areas. but ill take those weaker aspects of his game as he haas other shinning aspects
Also in terms of upside ill pick out Howard, he's small, an average skater with decent hands and good passing abilities. he's probably Johnathan Drouin. 20 goals as a high and 40 assist as a high. Miroshnichenko has 40 goal ceiling that could easily be reached
Could be the case for Gallagher, but with Miro it doesn't work all the time which makes it a liability. If it has a high success rate, great. But it doesn't really.
In fact I have Drouin as a comparable for Miroshnichenko. (My comps are style-based.) Not 100% sure it works well, but it's the best I could come up with. Miroshnichenko might have that ceiling if everything imaginable goes right and something magically clicks in his head and his Hockey sense becomes above average. But more likely than not he won't become a 40 goal scorer. And his ceiling is the exact opposite of being "easily" reachable, as I've said already. He's a project and his development will take time and a lot of effort and even then its's very well possible he never pans out.
Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
4 of the players you listed you have them taken after Miroshnichenko so your argument is slightly confusing as the habs are arguably in a better spot to take that massive swing compared to the caps
I believe that some people are taking a bit of an extreme position on Miroshnichenko as he's still considered a top 10 prospect by many and they're hoping that they can say that they new Miroshnichenko wouldn't work and that gives them more of an audience.
Ill take my chances with the big, strong, physical kid who can skate and absolutely rip the puck and hope that one of your aforementioned players is available with pick 25 which 4 of the 5 are
Same upside =/= gets picked higher. This is a mock draft not a ranking. Miro has great raw tools (skating, shooting, forecheck, etc.) and I think some teams might value those higher than a toolkit. But the main reason he was picked there is that I wanted to have Miro on the Caps because I like the idea of him learning a couple things from Ovi. Not because I think he's the best choice.
Weird statement. Because some see some problems in a prospect, they're automatically attention-seekers? Miro is dividing scouts. Some don't see the problems or think they can be worked around rather easily. I, personally, don't think so. But Hopefully he proves me wrong.
On eliteprospects.com 7/12 have him in the Top 10 (not including Central scouting since that's only Europe). Take out Craig Button and Sportsnet, as I feel their rankings are always all over the place and differ a lot from most other scouts. That leaves 5/10 scouts that have Miro in their Top 10. Pretty much what I expected. But I wouldn't really call that "many".