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Créé par: TheWolfe

Équipe: 2021-22 Red Wings de Detroit

Date de création initiale: 8 févr. 2022

Publié: 8 févr. 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Vegas has an obvious need to shed salary, and Detroit has an obvious need at center. This seems like it could be a pretty good deal for both sides, but valuing Willy is tricky to me. He's still an NHL caliber center, but has underperformed as of late and has had some injury trouble.

His contract also has quite a bit of term on it, which is good news or bad news depending on your perspective. I think it would be an interesting trade, I just have no idea what Vegas would want going the other way for him. Obviously, he'd have to waive his NTC as well if Detroit was on it.

Transactions

DET

Karlsson, William

VGK

What would this look like?

Rachats de contrats

Frans Nielsen: 4 250 000 $
Justin Abdelkader: 2 305 556 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Richard Pánik: 1 375 000 $ (50%)

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TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	81 500 000 $	67 735 556 $	0 $	4 200 000 $	13 764 444 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Bertuzzi, Tyler 2 375 000 $2 375 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Larkin, Dylan 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ C UFA - 2	Raymond, Lucas 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) AD, AG RFA - 3
Fabbri, Robby 2 950 000 $2 950 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Karlsson, William 5 900 000 $5 900 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 6	Namestnikov, Vladislav 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD, C UFA - 1
Erne, Adam 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Suter, Pius 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Zadina, Filip 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 1
Smith, Givani 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Gagner, Sam 850 000 $850 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1	Rasmussen, Michael 1 460 000 $1 460 000 $ AG, C UFA - 3

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Leddy, Nick 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Hronek, Filip 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD RFA - 3	Greiss, Thomas 3 600 000 $3 600 000 $ G UFA - 1
DeKeyser, Danny 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1	Seider, Moritz 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 3	Nedeljkovic, Alex 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ G UFA - 2
Staal, Marc 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 1	Lindström, Gustav 850 000 $850 000 $ DD RFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Oesterle, Jordan 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Vrána, Jakub 2 625 000 $2 625 000 $ AG UFA - 3
Smith, Gemel 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 2	Stecher, Troy 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ DD UFA - 1
	Rowney, Carter 825 000 $825 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1
	Barber, Riley 800 000 $800 000 $ AD UFA - 1
	Stephens, Mitchell 737 500 $737 500 $ C UFA - 1

8 févr. 2022 à 9 h 36

zadinaveleno

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Interesting...Karlsson would be a great 2C for us, and it would help Vegas shed a bit of salary to fit Eichel. I wonder what Vegas would want for him...?

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8 févr. 2022 à 9 h 40

KadenM_R

Rejoint: févr. 2022

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Even though its for the purpose of the cap dump I think Karlsson still deserves decent value in return. I'd ask for a 2nd and a solid prospect. Maybe Hanas, Berggren or Wallinder

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8 févr. 2022 à 9 h 41

TheWolfe

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Quoting: zadinaveleno

Interesting...Karlsson would be a great 2C for us, and it would help Vegas shed a bit of salary to fit Eichel. I wonder what Vegas would want for him...?

Yeah that's what I couldn't figure out, but he's definitely a "buy low" type of player.

8 févr. 2022 à 9 h 42

TheWolfe

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Quoting: KadenM_R

Even though its for the purpose of the cap dump I think Karlsson still deserves decent value in return. I'd ask for a 2nd and a solid prospect. Maybe Hanas, Berggren or Wallinder

And if that was the case I don't think Stevie would be willing to make the deal. Highly doubt he wants to give up prospects or draft assets given what we've seen so far

8 févr. 2022 à 9 h 43

zadinaveleno

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Quoting: KadenM_R

Even though its for the purpose of the cap dump I think Karlsson still deserves decent value in return. I'd ask for a 2nd and a solid prospect. Maybe Hanas, Berggren or Wallinder

Berggren is virtually untouchable, so that's not happening. Wallinder also has too much potential to deal. I think I'd entertain a 2nd and Hanas though.

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8 févr. 2022 à 9 h 44

csick

KFTW

Rejoint: juill. 2018

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Quoting: TheWolfe

And if that was the case I don't think Stevie would be willing to make the deal. Highly doubt he wants to give up prospects or draft assets given what we've seen so far

Washington 2nd and Niederbach?

8 févr. 2022 à 9 h 46

TheWolfe

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Quoting: csick

Washington 2nd and Niederbach?

Maybe? Could see Vegas saying yes to that

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8 févr. 2022 à 9 h 47

zadinaveleno

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Quoting: csick

Washington 2nd and Niederbach?

They can their pick of Hanas, Tuomisto, McIsaac or Mastrosimone. I wouldn't deal Niederbach.

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8 févr. 2022 à 9 h 49

TheWolfe

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Quoting: zadinaveleno

They can their pick of Hanas, Tuomisto, McIsaac or Mastrosimone. I wouldn't deal Niederbach.

I'd be fine with that too.

I just look at this roster and say they're a 2C and 2-3 new defensemen away from actually competing for a playoff spot next season. 2Cs are always expensive on the open market, and even though there are going to be some good ones available in the offseason, I think Detroit could save a few bucks by getting a guy who's cap controlled for awhile.

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8 févr. 2022 à 9 h 54

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dtd_tank

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Devil's advocate: Karlsson is older than our entire core, doesn't look any better than Suter on paper, and is signed until age 34. Why would we want him?

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8 févr. 2022 à 9 h 58

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Lenny7

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I feel like Dvorak is probably a reasonable comp trade-wise. Different money, but Karlsson>Dvorak. I guess it all depends on what you're looking for, but he's a pretty good option long-term for the Wings.

8 févr. 2022 à 11 h 13

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TheWolfe

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Quoting: dtd_tank

Devil's advocate: Karlsson is older than our entire core, doesn't look any better than Suter on paper, and is signed until age 34. Why would we want him?

Valid point, I think the best answer to this question is who do they currently have in the system that projects at a 2C?

Quoting: Lenny7

Honestly that would be a decent solution as well. Wings may have a center of the future or two in the system, but if the goal is to compete, they need a 2C of right now as well

8 févr. 2022 à 12 h 40

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dtd_tank

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Quoting: TheWolfe

Valid point, I think the best answer to this question is who do they currently have in the system that projects at a 2C?

The best we've got is Suter, so I think the answer to your question is no. Theodor Niederbach might project to 2C, but that's a few years away. Otherwise, our options are to draft, trade, or sign a FA (Hertl, Copp, Trocheck).

8 févr. 2022 à 13 h 41

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TheWolfe

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Quoting: dtd_tank

Copp would be a great addition

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8 févr. 2022 à 13 h 47

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dtd_tank

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Quoting: TheWolfe

Copp would be a great addition

For sure. Hertl or Copp would be incredible.

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