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Trying to be fair as possible

Créé par: Hockey247
Date de création initiale: 6 févr. 2022
Publié: 6 févr. 2022
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Description
I'll have a bias because I am a fan of the team, thus fans of a team tend to overvalue their players. i tried to make these trades fair as possible and made them based on what is being said about these players from various insiders and shows such as elliotte friedman, chris johnston, david paignotta, jeff marek, eric engels, etc.
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Choix de 2022 ronde en 3e (FLA)
  2. Choix de 2023 ronde en 1e (FLA)
FLA
  1. Chiarot, Ben (1 750 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Panthers are in the hunt for a deep run. I don't think they'll land klingberg as the stars look like they're asking a lot and chychrun would require someone like lundell and knight to acquire which would be deft fpr the panthers to trade.
2.
MTL
  1. Choix de 2022 ronde en 5e (VAN)
  2. Choix de 2023 ronde en 2e (VAN)
Détails additionnels:
canucks need a Pker. lehkonen provides that and is still young
VAN
  1. Lehkonen, Artturi
3.
MTL
  1. Chytil, Filip
  2. Lundkvist, Nils
  3. Nemeth, Patrik
  4. Choix de 2022 ronde en 1e (NYR)
Détails additionnels:
rangers get a 20-25 goal scorer signed at a very good deal and a depth d-man for a playoff run for a 1st rd pick, a very good prospect in lundkvist and a question mark in chytil and they get rid of nemeth and his cap
NYR
  1. Toffoli, Tyler
  2. Wideman, Chris
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Brett Kulak: 925 000 $ (50%)
  • Ben Chiarot: 1 750 000 $ (50%)
  • Artturi Lehkonen: 1 150 000 $ (50%)
  • Ben Chiarot: 1 750 000 $ (100%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGE1E RONDE2E RONDE3E RONDE4E RONDE5E RONDE6E RONDE7E RONDE
2022
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $86 254 141 $597 561 $2 325 000 $-4 754 141 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Hoffman, Mike
4 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
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Paquette, Cédric
950 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Gallagher, Brendan
6 500 000 $
AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
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Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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Pitlick, Rem
917 831 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
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Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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Pezzetta, Michael
750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C
UFA - 1
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Armia, Joel
3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
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Poehling, Ryan
750 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
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Caufield, Cole
880 833 $
AG
RFA - 2
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Dauphin, Laurent
750 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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Chytil, Filip
2 300 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Kulak, Brett
925 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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Petry, Jeff
6 250 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 5
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Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 1
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Primeau, Cayden
880 833 $
G
RFA - 1
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Clague, Kale
761 250 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Montembeault, Samuel
750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Lundkvist, Nils
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
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Nemeth, Patrik
2 500 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 5
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Dvorak, Christian
4 450 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
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Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Savard, David
3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
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Allen, Jake
2 875 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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Perreault, Mathieu
950 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 1
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McNiven, Michael
750 000 $
G
UFA - 1

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6 févr. 2022 à 15 h 53
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Canucks aren't moving a 2nd, you'll have to find a different team.
6 févr. 2022 à 15 h 56
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Ya you’re really not being very fair.
6 févr. 2022 à 16 h 15
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Chiarot sucks, keep him
6 févr. 2022 à 16 h 29
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Lehkonen worth more keeping than that return
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Chiarot sucks, keep him


You s*uck
6 févr. 2022 à 16 h 34
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Ya you’re really not being very fair.


The only unfair trade is Toffoli
FLO trade is unfair but realistic
6 févr. 2022 à 16 h 47
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You s*uck


I thought you had to be at least 13 years old to be have an account. Really gonna start throwing temper tantrums lmao. These trades aren’t good. Vancouver isn’t trading away picks for a fourth liner
6 févr. 2022 à 17 h 18
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NYR has been tied to Lehkonen i think thats the deal you make
Toffoli stays IMO

We moved Chucky's Mentor and linemate Eller
Since that move Chuckys yet to score 20 goals in a season since
His progress just nose dived and his Defensive side got bad as did his turnovers

We just signed Suzuki longterm
Not worth the risk IMO

VAN has no real need for any of our players unless we're selling Poehling cheap
What they need to upgrade on we cant help them with unless we're buying
They're not due for a long rebuild like us but they're not likely going to all survive the TDL either with this new Regime
6 févr. 2022 à 17 h 28
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I thought you had to be at least 13 years old to be have an account. Really gonna start throwing temper tantrums lmao. These trades aren’t good. Vancouver isn’t trading away picks for a fourth liner


Your assessment of hockey players is a sight to be seen
6 févr. 2022 à 17 h 30
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Your assessment of hockey players is a sight to be seen


Your assessment on team needs are a sight to be seen
6 févr. 2022 à 19 h 4
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7 févr. 2022 à 11 h 23
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NYR has been tied to Lehkonen i think thats the deal you make
Toffoli stays IMO

We moved Chucky's Mentor and linemate Eller
Since that move Chuckys yet to score 20 goals in a season since
His progress just nose dived and his Defensive side got bad as did his turnovers

We just signed Suzuki longterm
Not worth the risk IMO

VAN has no real need for any of our players unless we're selling Poehling cheap
What they need to upgrade on we cant help them with unless we're buying
They're not due for a long rebuild like us but they're not likely going to all survive the TDL either with this new Regime


suzuki?
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7 févr. 2022 à 18 h 58
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suzuki?


Sorry "not worth the risk moving Toffoli IMO"
He's been Suzuki's Mentor and i like the dynamic of that 1-2 punch
Caufield is a great fit for them on PP
Issue is 5v5 that line needs a net front presence
Gally and Anderson havent produced well with Suzuki but have else where
Finding a way to upgrade Armia i think would help a lot more then moving out Toffoli

Leaders like Gally,Toffoli and Anderson are ideal for our Youth
We can also build their value til their pending UFA's and still profit if we want
Armia on the other hand his value will only decline even if his play doesnt (his speed that defines his offense will fade)
Drouin you try to move for the same reasons whether its this year or next years TDL
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Sorry "not worth the risk moving Toffoli IMO"
He's been Suzuki's Mentor and i like the dynamic of that 1-2 punch
Caufield is a great fit for them on PP
Issue is 5v5 that line needs a net front presence
Gally and Anderson havent produced well with Suzuki but have else where
Finding a way to upgrade Armia i think would help a lot more then moving out Toffoli

Leaders like Gally,Toffoli and Anderson are ideal for our Youth
We can also build their value til their pending UFA's and still profit if we want
Armia on the other hand his value will only decline even if his play doesnt (his speed that defines his offense will fade)
Drouin you try to move for the same reasons whether its this year or next years TDL


totally agree. its just theres a ton of value in trading him
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15 févr. 2022 à 11 h 49
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totally agree. its just theres a ton of value in trading him


You're right there was
Although i wouldnt have done it in theory
That's an offer i wouldnt have refused either
Its just so sad he loved MTL so much and his Family isnt happy but get its business
Woulda been nice to keep

But Heineman is awesome find 3rd year Pro at 20 in SHL about 2 years away from being ready on our timeline for rebuild
Picks are great
Pitlicks a cap dump that could work out if he and his brother get a rivalry going in house lol
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You're right there was
Although i wouldnt have done it in theory
That's an offer i wouldnt have refused either
Its just so sad he loved MTL so much and his Family isnt happy but get its business
Woulda been nice to keep

But Heineman is awesome find 3rd year Pro at 20 in SHL about 2 years away from being ready on our timeline for rebuild
Picks are great
Pitlicks a cap dump that could work out if he and his brother get a rivalry going in house lol


i wouldn't either, but after chiarot, he was our most tradeable asset. next has to be someone like hoffman, petry, kulak, armia, lehkonen. maybe even drouin.
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20 févr. 2022 à 15 h 19
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i wouldn't either, but after chiarot, he was our most tradeable asset. next has to be someone like hoffman, petry, kulak, armia, lehkonen. maybe even drouin.


Kulak ,Lehkonen will be this year
Hofman,Armia and Savard wont be moveable until atleast next year if not the year after(better to sell them as UFA's if no good offers)
Byron i feel will get traded next year to a contender then return to MTL like Plekanec did(getting us a 2nd and what would become Kulak)
Drouin its 50/50 cant say until he plays for MSL

IF he comes out like Caufield did
Who knows maybe he's here on a 2-3 year deal rather then traded

I feel Gally is safe regardless of media specualtion he said he doesnt want to leave and management said he's a core leader for their youth core
Petry i feel like we wont get a good enough offer so we'll keep him and he'll want to stay as he's thriving under MSL(restrictions will losen or have 7/10 odds i say in 2022)
Dvorak you cant move at a loss, he needs a rebound season and plays well with Anderson and Drouin (Them only though which is hard with 1/3 being out most of the season now)

Only real X Factor here is Jake Allen
He'll be a pending UFA next year but i know for a fact he will re-sign
I golf with his Uncle and he's so happy to be close to home in NB,he's won a Cup now he wants to be part of MTL's 25th
He wont beg but if they offer him a deal he'll smile and sign

Its hard to say as MSL still hasnt truly implemented his System
He's slowly changing things as to not throw off the team mid season
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Kulak ,Lehkonen will be this year
Hofman,Armia and Savard wont be moveable until atleast next year if not the year after(better to sell them as UFA's if no good offers)
Byron i feel will get traded next year to a contender then return to MTL like Plekanec did(getting us a 2nd and what would become Kulak)
Drouin its 50/50 cant say until he plays for MSL

IF he comes out like Caufield did
Who knows maybe he's here on a 2-3 year deal rather then traded

I feel Gally is safe regardless of media specualtion he said he doesnt want to leave and management said he's a core leader for their youth core
Petry i feel like we wont get a good enough offer so we'll keep him and he'll want to stay as he's thriving under MSL(restrictions will losen or have 7/10 odds i say in 2022)
Dvorak you cant move at a loss, he needs a rebound season and plays well with Anderson and Drouin (Them only though which is hard with 1/3 being out most of the season now)

Only real X Factor here is Jake Allen
He'll be a pending UFA next year but i know for a fact he will re-sign
I golf with his Uncle and he's so happy to be close to home in NB,he's won a Cup now he wants to be part of MTL's 25th
He wont beg but if they offer him a deal he'll smile and sign

Its hard to say as MSL still hasnt truly implemented his System
He's slowly changing things as to not throw off the team mid season


i was reading somewhere that Gally and Anderson are on the habs do not trade list. imo that makes sense. they're more valuable to us than to other teams. plus their cap hits make them tough to trade.
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20 févr. 2022 à 16 h 6
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i was reading somewhere that Gally and Anderson are on the habs do not trade list. imo that makes sense. they're more valuable to us than to other teams. plus their cap hits make them tough to trade.


Andersons safe as no one's paying that and we cant RS that long
That said he's a great player so its not like he's bad he's just about 1-1,25m over paid
Not the end of the world but makes trading with Term interesting

Gally had teams and took his time to get to know and see if he liked the new management
He seems happy saying he'll do anything and play anywhere that MTL is his home
I got the feeling he was informed he'll be the Next Captain in the Future as his "losing Culture" comments he kept
Saying they had to learn how to get past went away (he was saying that after the 5th of 10 straight loses

Gally is a great Leader just needs a strong A forward to deal with Refs for him is all
Thats where Toffoli leaving hurts but it gives the chance to give Suzuki his Training wheels with the A behind Gally
Then Eventually like Thorton or Brown did for Pavelski or Kopitar
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Andersons safe as no one's paying that and we cant RS that long
That said he's a great player so its not like he's bad he's just about 1-1,25m over paid
Not the end of the world but makes trading with Term interesting

Gally had teams and took his time to get to know and see if he liked the new management
He seems happy saying he'll do anything and play anywhere that MTL is his home
I got the feeling he was informed he'll be the Next Captain in the Future as his "losing Culture" comments he kept
Saying they had to learn how to get past went away (he was saying that after the 5th of 10 straight loses

Gally is a great Leader just needs a strong A forward to deal with Refs for him is all
Thats where Toffoli leaving hurts but it gives the chance to give Suzuki his Training wheels with the A behind Gally
Then Eventually like Thorton or Brown did for Pavelski or Kopitar


i was hoping thye would make suzuki the cap next year
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i was hoping thye would make suzuki the cap next year


Too Much pressure to soon
He will be one day soon but MTL fans turn on Players REALLY Quick (see Petry,Pacioretty,Subban,ext)
He needs 2-3 year window to learn how to be a leader organically in order not to split his focus
Remember Patches after the Captaincy? his offense dropped but he became a better over all player and tried being a good Captain
But he took social media attacks really personally

Im VERY Cautious with Cole ,Alex and Nick
They're our Future
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