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Trading Klingberg and replacing him with Petry

Créé par: justaBoss
Équipe: 2021-22 Stars de Dallas
Date de création initiale: 4 févr. 2022
Publié: 4 févr. 2022
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If that is the plan, this is how I would want them to do it.
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DAL
  1. Gardiner, Jake
  2. Morrow, Scott [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
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  1. Klingberg, John (2 125 000 $ retained)
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  1. Eriksson, Albin [Liste de réserve]
  2. Faksa, Radek
  3. Khudobin, Anton
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (DAL)
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4 févr. 2022 à 16 h 17
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Quoting: justaBoss
I can't say for certain in which role Klingberg would fit in Carolina, but by playstyle I'd have to assume he'd be a Hamilton replacement. He's played first pair for pretty much his whole time in Dallas, and he's clocked 22 minutes per on average without really playing PK. That's first pair minutes. And I'd argue CAR has no better RHDs than Klingberg is.

If a price of a solid prospect plus first (which ironically is around the same asking price as MTL has for f*cking Chiarot) is too much, then what do you think is fair? Because it seems we see the guy in a very different light.


Canes don’t need to trade Gardiner, he’s on LTIR the rest of the year. Next year they may need to dump his contract or buy it out, but no need for relief this year, they already have it.

To take on Klingberg, the Canes would have to send salary back. They’re very likely set up front, so no roster forwards to trade.That leaves defenseman. They’re not trading Slavin, Pesce, Skjei or DeAngelo. Cole is a good 5-6 and on an expiring deal, wouldn’t really make sense to trade him. No one is going to want Brendan Smith, plus he’s cheap depth at league minimum. That leaves Ethan Bear at $2M and RFA status. Any deal for Klingberg will include Bear, in my view.

IMO, DeAngelo has rightfully claimed the RD slot next to Slavin. They’re not going to breakup up Skjei-Pesce, so Klingberg would, at this moment, slot in on the 3rd pair. That’s not a player you spend a lot on. If DeAngelo falters, maybe, but he’s been much better than anticipated defensively and he’s been dynamite offensively, outperforming Klingberg by a good margin so far. Klingberg would be a luxury, not a necessity. The Canes would be better off going for a Braun or Manson type.

My best offer for Klingberg would be Bear + Bokk or Joey Keane. That’s not enough? Oh well. There’s a good number of rental D on the market this year that would slot in much better as the depth the Canes may be looking at that fit the team’s needs better and cost much less.
4 févr. 2022 à 16 h 18
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Canes don’t need to trade Gardiner, he’s on LTIR the rest of the year. Next year they may need to dump his contract or buy it out, but no need for relief this year, they already have it.

To take on Klingberg, the Canes would have to send salary back. They’re very likely set up front, so no roster forwards to trade.That leaves defenseman. They’re not trading Slavin, Pesce, Skjei or DeAngelo. Cole is a good 5-6 and on an expiring deal, wouldn’t really make sense to trade him: No one is going to want Brendan Smith, plus he’s cheap depth at league minimum. That leaves Ethan Bear at $2M and RFA status. Any deal for Klingberg will include Ethab Bear, in my view.

IMO, DeAngelo has rightfully claimed the RD slot next to Slavin. They’re not going to breakup up Skjei-Pesce, so Klingberg would, at this moment, slot in on the 3rd pair. That’s not a player you spend a lot on. If DeAngelo falters, maybe, but he’s been much better than anticipated defensively and he’s been dynamite offensively, outperforming Klingberg by a good margin so far. Klingberg would be a luxury, not a necessity. The Canes would be better off going for a Braun or Manson type.

My best offer for Klingberg would be Bear + Bokk or Joey Keane. That’s not enough? Oh well. There’s a good number of rental D on the market this year that would slot in much better as the depth the Canes may be looking at that fit the team’s needs better and cost much less.


Lol okay then. No deal to be made here.
4 févr. 2022 à 16 h 22
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Quoting: justaBoss
Lol okay then. No deal to be made here.


Yep, you’re not going to get Morrow level prospects or a 1st out of CAR for a rental.

So, lol back atcha for even proposing such.
4 févr. 2022 à 16 h 23
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The absolute cap mess trading LTIR gardiner makes this impossible, as it would require trading other money out even with Klingberg at 50%

Run it thru the trade machine and see what happens.

Oh, and the value is off too…
4 févr. 2022 à 16 h 51
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I think maybe earlier in the season you might have got Morrow, but he’s broken out and is generally viewed as Carolina’s best prospect. I also don’t see the top 2 pairings being broken up so at best klingberg would be the 3RD and 2nd pp qb. Makes we wonder if the canes are even still interested given we haven’t heard much since that nov/dec report
4 févr. 2022 à 16 h 53
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The thought any GM would have if he was acquire Petry is "Can I spend 6.25m better for next full three seasons, than acquiring Petry? I dunno if Petry is going be worth 6.25m never mind giving up assets too.
But that is subjective to ACGMs and real NHL GMs.
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4 févr. 2022 à 17 h 57
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https://mobile.twitter.com/NathanPStrauss/status/1468257129018494979/photo/1

Where we are getting the Makar - Morrow comparisons
4 févr. 2022 à 18 h 9
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Quoting: palhal
The thought any GM would have if he was acquire Petry is "Can I spend 6.25m better for next full three seasons, than acquiring Petry? I dunno if Petry is going be worth 6.25m never mind giving up assets too.
But that is subjective to ACGMs and real NHL GMs.


That's also accompanied by the thought of just who is available that we can reasonably acquire that fits our timeline.
Petry for a limited time @ $6M can be better than a UFA @ $6-8M for 7/8 years.
4 févr. 2022 à 18 h 58
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I get the rumor from LeBrun, but I just can't see a deal between Montreal and Dallas happening here.
1) Dallas might be interested, but we don't know what they're willing to give up here. Big difference between a willingness to trade top prospects and/or picks vs. a willingness to trade someone like Faksa, Suter, Khudobin...
2) Montreal may not be willing to give up on Petry without getting a major haul in return. We don't know whether other teams are interested in him enough to do that.

For Dallas, I just don't think a trade for Petry makes sense given what it sounds like Montreal wants in return. Dallas might have interest, but it literally doesn't make sense for them to give up the assets requested for Petry. Having both Petry and SUter is two aging defensemen taking up cap space that would otherwise be used to try to field a highly competitive team. It just doesn't make sense to keep both of them while trying to compete. It also doesn't make sense to keep both of them while trying to rebuild.
4 févr. 2022 à 19 h 0
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That's also accompanied by the thought of just who is available that we can reasonably acquire that fits our timeline.
Petry for a limited time $6M can be better than a UFA $6-8M for 7/8 years.


Maybe. Teams would have to look at the RHDs available via UFA or trade and evaluate what is the best value. Certainly there are many short term UFAs available
4 févr. 2022 à 19 h 14
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I think everyone else had told you this, but Morrow and the future unprotected 1st are going to be untouchable.
4 févr. 2022 à 20 h 8
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I get the rumor from LeBrun, but I just can't see a deal between Montreal and Dallas happening here.
1) Dallas might be interested, but we don't know what they're willing to give up here. Big difference between a willingness to trade top prospects and/or picks vs. a willingness to trade someone like Faksa, Suter, Khudobin...
2) Montreal may not be willing to give up on Petry without getting a major haul in return. We don't know whether other teams are interested in him enough to do that.

For Dallas, I just don't think a trade for Petry makes sense given what it sounds like Montreal wants in return. Dallas might have interest, but it literally doesn't make sense for them to give up the assets requested for Petry. Having both Petry and SUter is two aging defensemen taking up cap space that would otherwise be used to try to field a highly competitive team. It just doesn't make sense to keep both of them while trying to compete. It also doesn't make sense to keep both of them while trying to rebuild.


I hope Dallas isn't interested in Petry, but it wouldn't be a first time when Nill buys or signs a veteran D-man from the market.
 
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