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Créé par: evelutions2
Équipe: 2021-22 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 3 févr. 2022
Publié: 3 févr. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Disclaimer: THESE ARE NOT REAL TRADE PROPOSALS.


I know almost all of these players would not be on the trade block. The purpose of this ACGM is to gauge how people value these players. Teams that have multiple players listed, I ask that they are valued individually and not as a combined package.
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CAR
  1. Zacha, Pavel
Détails additionnels:
Is Zacha better at LW or C?
NJD
8.
CAR
  1. Beauvillier, Anthony (2 000 000 $ retained)
NYI
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CAR
  1. Farabee, Joel
  2. Konecny, Travis (2 750 000 $ retained)
PHI
11.
CAR
  1. Balcers, Rūdolfs
  2. Barabanov, Alexander
Détails additionnels:
Assuming they sell at the dealine
SJS
12.
CAR
  1. McCann, Jared
  2. Schwartz, Jaden (2 750 000 $ retained)
SEA
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14.
CAR
  1. Marchessault, Jonathan (2 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Smith, Reilly (2 500 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Whenever Vegas is forced to dump cap to get Eichel into the lineup. Retention done by a third team.
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
4281 500 000 $120 050 285 $0 $2 595 000 $-38 550 285 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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7 750 000 $7 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 8
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8 460 250 $8 460 250 $
C
UFA - 3
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5 400 000 $5 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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6 100 035 $6 100 035 $
C
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 2
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
AD
RFA - 3
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4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance537 500 $$538K)
AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim
2 037 500 $2 037 500 $
AG
RFA - 2
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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725 000 $725 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 300 000 $2 300 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 3
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
3 700 000 $3 700 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Golden Knights de Vegas
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Predators de Nashville
1 450 000 $1 450 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 3
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 175 000 $1 175 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Islanders de New York
2 150 000 $2 150 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
1 550 000 $1 550 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
747 500 $747 500 $ (Bonis de performance107 500 $$108K)
AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance600 000 $$600K)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
Logo de Kraken de Seattle
2 940 000 $2 940 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Predators de Nashville
863 333 $863 333 $
AG, AD
RFA - 3
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
4 950 000 $4 950 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
Logo de Golden Knights de Vegas
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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4 025 000 $4 025 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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2 900 000 $2 900 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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800 000 $800 000 $
DG/DD, AG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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4 050 000 $4 050 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2

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3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 10
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Zacha is better at LW
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3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 13
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If we’re moving zadina it won’t be based off of current play but potential. I would want a similarly high draft pick around the same age with the same high potential, otherwise I just don’t see the point of moving him because at most he’d net a late 1st.
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3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 13
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Sharks probably don’t move Balcers. Cheap and has another year left before becoming an RFA. Barabanov could be moved. He’s been in a top 6 roll all year and has played really well. Makes a lot happen on the ice with his skill. Producing .60 ppg at only $1 mil cap hit. I think he will cost a bit, I would be asking minimum 2nd and another piece. The cap hit to point production ratio is just too good to not get a great return.
3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 21
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Max Comtois, Gabe Vilardi, Cole Caufield and Alexis Lafreniere all have something in common, in my opinion: they were all expected to be top-line forwards (albeit at different levels, of course) but so far have failed to reach that potential. (Another youngster on your list -- Jesse Puljujarvi -- was in a similar position a season or so ago, but seems to have elevated his game enough to be fulfilling his expectations.) I think that their respective teams aren't going to give up on them just yet.
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3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 24
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I’ve always thought Puljujarvi isn’t the type of winger that fits with McDavid or Draisaitl. If Carolina calls and offers Jarvis and Morrow I’d accept.
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3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 26
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Quoting: Eclipze
I’ve always thought Puljujarvi isn’t the type of winger that fits with McDavid or Draisaitl. If Carolina calls and offers Jarvis and Morrow I’d accept.


I am not as will to trade the bison king as you are
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3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 29
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Beaus a tough one , he’s such a big part of what the isles do and one of the only forwards the isles have with elite skating ability. I would think his value is something like a 1st , 2nd + Drury if you’re asking for 2 mill retained, but it doesn’t make sense for the isles because they plan to compete next season and trading a top 6 forward in his prime isn’t a good idea.
3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 31
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I’ll tell you one thing

Your not gonna like the prices of some of these guys
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3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 32
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Pulijarvi is worth a first round pick, a good prospect, and another pick.
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3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 39
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Quoting: Db1899
Beaus a tough one , he’s such a big part of what the isles do and one of the only forwards the isles have with elite skating ability. I would think his value is something like a 1st , 2nd + Drury if you’re asking for 2 mill retained, but it doesn’t make sense for the isles because they plan to compete next season and trading a top 6 forward in his prime isn’t a good idea.


I think it’s interesting that beauvillier would have that much value with the production he has had. Kevin Labanc has had similar production on a very similar contract and many seem to think he isn’t worth more than a 3rd if anything
3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 50
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Comtois would need a real big overpay of be a massive piece of a trade for a star coming back as of right now
3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 54
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Quoting: glarson17
I think it’s interesting that beauvillier would have that much value with the production he has had. Kevin Labanc has had similar production on a very similar contract and many seem to think he isn’t worth more than a 3rd if anything


Beauvillier's points per 60 min are significantly higher than Labanc's from 2019-21. Beauvillier's underlying numbers are also much better. Barry Trotz rolls 4 lines so only looking at counting stats can be misleading, Beauvillier's impact over the last 3 seasons has been that of a fringe 1st line winger.

2019-20 season Goals above replacement:
Beauvillier: 11.6 GAR
Labanc: -2.5 GAR

Wins above replacement:
Beauvillier: 2.1 WAR
Labanc: -0.4 WAR

2020-21 season
Beauvillier: 8.4 GAR, 1.5 WAR
Labanc: 2.4 GAR, 0.4 WAR

Beauvillier has gotten off to a slow start this season but he's only 24 YO and he has a large sample size of being a high end top 6 guy.
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3 févr. 2022 à 20 h 57
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Beauvillier's points per 60 min are significantly higher than Labanc's from 2019-21. Beauvillier's underlying numbers are also much better. Barry Trotz rolls 4 lines so only looking at counting stats can be misleading, Beauvillier's impact over the last 3 seasons has been that of a fringe 1st line winger.

2019-20 season Goals above replacement:
Beauvillier: 11.6 GAR
Labanc: -2.5 GAR

Wins above replacement:
Beauvillier: 2.1 WAR
Labanc: -0.4 WAR

2020-21 season
Beauvillier: 8.4 GAR, 1.5 WAR
Labanc: 2.4 GAR, 0.4 WAR

Beauvillier has gotten off to a slow start this season but he's only 24 YO and he has a large sample size of being a high end top 6 guy.


Yeah I see that, I’m not trying in anyway to say Labanc is worth the same. When Labanc has been with quality players he has played well. He was with 40 y.o. Joe Thornton and Meier and put up 56 points on the 3rd line. Since then he’s been with much inferior players and put on the 4th line which isn’t his style of play at all. I would love for labanc to get a shot at the upper lines I feel like he could be like Beauvillier.
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3 févr. 2022 à 21 h 0
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There is a good chance Zadina doesn't get traded this season and he won't be traded before Vrána gets back and returns to form.
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3 févr. 2022 à 21 h 3
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Yeah I see that, I’m not trying in anyway to say Labanc is worth the same. When Labanc has been with quality players he has played well. He was with 40 y.o. Joe Thornton and Meier and put up 56 points on the 3rd line. Since then he’s been with much inferior players and put on the 4th line which isn’t his style of play at all. I would love for labanc to get a shot at the upper lines I feel like he could be like Beauvillier.


yeah I was just trying to show Beauvillier's value to the isles, he has been their 2nd best forward behind barzal over the last 3 years. One of the most clutch playoff performers too.

I like Labanc, he's a good possession winger and he drives play offensively at a pretty high level. I agree that he deserves to play in a more offensive role, I would love for the isles to trade him to play with Nelson and Beauvillier on the 2nd line lol.
3 févr. 2022 à 21 h 11
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Zacha - better as LW. More offensive as winger. Doesn’t lead a rush, but is great as 2nd or 3rd guy into zone at the end of a rush. As a center, he doesn’t get up the ice all that much. His playing time is probably a 90/10 LW/C nowadays although he’ll take some draws. Was great last year and first part of this year on Nico’s LW, but is currently in a slump.
3 févr. 2022 à 21 h 18
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Quoting: Eclipze
I’ve always thought Puljujarvi isn’t the type of winger that fits with McDavid or Draisaitl. If Carolina calls and offers Jarvis and Morrow I’d accept.


If Carolina offers Jarvis and Morrow, every team on this list accepts. (They should at least)
3 févr. 2022 à 21 h 19
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Quoting: oilersguy
I am not as will to trade the bison king as you are


It’s not that I’m willing to trade him. But if we were I don’t think you can go wrong with Jarvis and Morrow. If hypothetically Jarvis and Holloway were both available at 14 in 2020 I think Jarvis would be an Oiler and JP would have probably been traded (most likely to Carolina).
3 févr. 2022 à 21 h 21
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
If Carolina offers Jarvis and Morrow, every team on this list accepts. (They should at least)


Wasn’t saying that’s the offer for everyone on this list. Carolina would probably value JP slightly higher just because of TT and Aho. They have a thing for Fins.
3 févr. 2022 à 22 h 7
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Quoting: Eclipze
Wasn’t saying that’s the offer for everyone on this list. Carolina would probably value JP slightly higher just because of TT and Aho. They have a thing for Fins.


With those Finns, who can blame them. They did trade us a Finn, Kuokkanen (for Vatanen, another Finn)
3 févr. 2022 à 22 h 11
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If Zadina went to Carolina I would expect like Drury in return or something like that.
3 févr. 2022 à 22 h 16
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Available trade pieces from the Canes would include:

From the Roster:
Lorentz, Bear, Stepan, Raanta
Prospects:
Bokk, Suzuki, Cotton, Rees, Tieksola, Ponomarev, Mattheos, Murray, Keane, Lajoie
Reserve List:
Blake, Fensore, Guslistov, Hamrla, Killinen, Korshkov, Kucharski, Mercuri, Montgomery, Naumov, Orr, Pashin, Quapp, Rizzo, Robidas, Slepets, Wall, Webber, Wells
Draft Capital:
2022 4th-7th round picks
2023 1st-7th round picks
2024 1st-7th round picks
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Untouchables:
Roster Players:
Aho, Svechnikov, Kotkaniemi, Staal, Teravainen, Niederreiter, Trocheck, Fast, Martinook, Jarvis, Necas, Slavin, Skjei, Pesce, Cole, DeAngelo, Smith, Andersen, Lyon
Prospects:
Drury, Koivunen, Heimosalmi, Seeley, Sellgren, Chatfield, Lafontaine, Makiniemi, Kochetkov
Reserve List:
Gunler, Honka, Hreschuk, Morrow, Nybeck, Nystrom, Puistola
Draft Capital:
2022 2nd-3rd round picks

Hope this helps with determining value
3 févr. 2022 à 22 h 30
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Quoting: evelutions2
Available trade pieces from the Canes would include:

From the Roster:
Lorentz, Bear, Stepan, Raanta
Prospects:
Bokk, Suzuki, Cotton, Rees, Tieksola, Ponomarev, Mattheos, Murray, Keane, Lajoie
Reserve List:
Blake, Fensore, Guslistov, Hamrla, Killinen, Korshkov, Kucharski, Mercuri, Montgomery, Naumov, Orr, Pashin, Quapp, Rizzo, Robidas, Slepets, Wall, Webber, Wells
Draft Capital:
2022 4th-7th round picks
2023 1st-7th round picks
2024 1st-7th round picks
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Untouchables:
Roster Players:
Aho, Svechnikov, Kotkaniemi, Staal, Teravainen, Niederreiter, Trocheck, Fast, Martinook, Jarvis, Necas, Slavin, Skjei, Pesce, Cole, DeAngelo, Smith, Andersen, Lyon
Prospects:
Drury, Koivunen, Heimosalmi, Seeley, Sellgren, Chatfield, Lafontaine, Makiniemi, Kochetkov
Reserve List:
Gunler, Honka, Hreschuk, Morrow, Nybeck, Nystrom, Puistola
Draft Capital:
2022 2nd-3rd round picks

Hope this helps with determining value


So not much except first rounders
4 févr. 2022 à 3 h 0
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Quoting: Eclipze
I’ve always thought Puljujarvi isn’t the type of winger that fits with McDavid or Draisaitl. If Carolina calls and offers Jarvis and Morrow I’d accept.


Jarvis AND Morrow??? Reel it in, buddy.
4 févr. 2022 à 8 h 54
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Quoting: Eclipze
I’ve always thought Puljujarvi isn’t the type of winger that fits with McDavid or Draisaitl. If Carolina calls and offers Jarvis and Morrow I’d accept.

Puljujarvi actually fits well with McDavid, he creates chaos and McDavid feeds off chaos. Look at their scoring rates when together...

I'm SUPER torn on your trade proposal. Jarvis was my hard target for the draft from early on, I really like the player. But when Puljujarvi figures out how to use his body, he's gonna be a BEAST out there, especially in the playoffs. I'm not sure Morrow tips the scales enough for me, but it's close.
 
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