Way too much for Manson. His entire valuation on here is based on reputation he earned in a good playoff round several years ago. He's been poor ever since.

All good, I'm fine keeping him. The Ducks have absolutely benefited from his shutdown presence this year, now that he's 100% healthy, and he definitely eases the pressure on Drysdale. Quite content to extend him for 3 or so years if nobody wants to pay for him.

The cost of players goes up if the team that has him isnt inclined to trade him. Manson easily gets a 1st plus if hes even traded.

If that price doesnt get met the Ducks are more than happy to keep him

Other thoughts? Cc: @tz11 @GeneralLandro

Lol. No it's not.

Ristolainen went for about the same price and Manson is miles better. Right handed defence are at a premium and certainly good ones start at a 1st. Dermott is a 7th defenceman for Toronto, and Villeneuve isn't a highly ranked prospect. It's actually not a bad price at all.

"Value" is a debatable term. People on here try to say what a player is worth based on their skill and role, which is always highly controversial. Each team is going to value players completely different - that's why Tampa "overpaid" for Coleman and Goodrow because they were seen as very valuable to them for what they needed, when fans solely base it on skill and role.

Based on that, I'm sure Toronto is absolutely comfortable making this deal. Anaheim has reportedly set the price high and they'll be many suitors for Manson, so I don't see this as enough for them to consider it

That's pretty much where I'm at. Dermott doesn't really add anything to the deal that Anaheim leaves, and is basically just there for salary purposes. If the Leafs had someone on a 1 year deal that they wanted to dump, I've got no issue with that. Ritchie definitely isn't the guy though.

With the Leafs, I can absolutely understand being wary of moving a 1st-Pretty solid odds that they'll be facing one of Tampa or Florida in the first round, so the odds of making it through are probably slim anyway.

Dermott could have value to Anaheim as a guy that's under contract through next season then is a RFA so there's team control there of a guy with a little bit of upside, wouldn't say that's that his worthless to them at all.

As for the 1st, it's Toronto's biggest bargaining chip. It doesn't mean anything to them when they know that beyond this season nothing is guaranteed - they're all in cause they know if there's disappointment then there's major changes coming. It just brings little value to them and it's as good as gone this year. In terms of what Toronto's losing in this proposed deal, it's literally nothing of value to them

I'm absolutely not saying Dermott is useless, he's just not a player that the Ducks particularly need at this point. Anaheim has plenty of bottom pairing guys moving forward. Could they flip him? For sure. I'm just looking at it from a "building a team for long term success" end, where the Ducks could use that 1st as a solid trade chip (in a package) to upgrade the forward core this summer.

I agree with @Salzy

If we don’t get a 1st or a good top prospect for him just keep him

How do you feel about the Hampus trade?

Ahh if Hampus is dealt want like a 1st and a good prospect at least

Something that would nice to Arizona to use that for Chychrun maybe

Bit of a different opinion. Manson isn't as bas as some on this site make him out to be, but I think he should be traded. I would be okay-ish with extending him for 3 years, but I highly doubt he Manson accepts that. So I'd rather trade him for at least something. I don't think a 1st+ is necessary. I think a 2nd + a prospect would be sufficient. But it's possible some GMs around the league would pay more because of the things already mentioned by @Lenny7 and @TrueCanuck.

He's just not worth it. He's all reputation and the results just aren't there.

Who cares what

Who cares what Risto went for? It was a bad trade when it happened and looks terrible now. Manson is Roman Polak. Big, not overly great at skating, almost no offence and he hits a lot. He isn't very good at moving the puck, getting the puck back or offering anything to keep possession.

Many on here have this idea that some slow, big, mean, juggernaut is going to be a saviour for TO. Then point to Bogosian who was without question the worst player in the Leafs roster last season and did nothing to help TO get past Montreal. So really, what would Manson really do? The results show him as less than Holl or Liljegren. I am not entirely against Manson but he's certainly not remotely as good as people think he is. The results just aren't there.

Lol. Every comment you post continues to show how little you know about hockey.

Ristolainen's trade is 100% going to affect Manson's value because GM's use trade comparables all the time, in every negotiation.

Comparing Manson to Polak might be the funniest comment I've ever read on this site. Thanks for that. Lmao.

Oh yeah? GM's going to just say "you're right, there was that time that other GM was absolutely destroyed in that trade for a player, I guess I'll have to pay up as well."

Come on dude. How does that make any sense? Smart people never use outlier mistakes to garner a valuation. That is literally ridiculous. I guess all RHD are worth top end forwards because that time Chiarelli traded Hall for Larsson.

Manson isn't going to cost an insane package because Philly made a huge mistake in giving up a 1st for Risto. At least not to a good GM. Anyone who overpays because other idiots have overpaid in the past is not a good GM.

If you think what's posted here is an "insane package" then you got some hockey to learn there bud.

I don't think it's insane, I just don't think it's worth it. Manson has been below average for several seasons. He's been worse than Holl who cost the Leafs nothing. So why waste a 1st, a serviceable 3rd pair defenceman and a prospect to not really upgrade our defence?

I know "blah blah blah, playoff hockey, blah blah, hits, blah blah blah."

Manson is Roman Polak. He's big, strong, hits people, blocks shots and is slow. Is Roman Polak going to be the guy to get the Leafs over the top? Not remotely. So why spend major assets for a guy who doesn't really move the needle? Did David Savard really make much of a difference for Tampa? Not really, they likely would have won without him.

Now with all that said, I am not at all opposed to add a defenceman, but I would add Severson or Klingberg who are clear cut improvements over Holl. If both are too expensive, then I would get Braun or Schenn. Two guys who may become more valuable deeper in the playoffs when clutching and grabbing becomes allowed as usual, neither would cost much and can fight for the final pair spots.

Ah yes. Let's add Klingberg or Severson to the lineup who play exactly like Tyson Barrie and he worked out so well! ... Leafs don't need an offensive minded defenceman who can't defend. Manson is exactly what they need. & you trying to compare him to Polak is hilarious cause Manson is actually a good skater.

The 3 assets listed here mean almost nothing to Toronto so they're essentially getting Manson for nothing. If this deal was in front of Dubas' face he'd be fired to not take it.

Manson is not a great skater. He's on par with Muzzin who isn't a great skater but makes up for it by being smart and a good puck mover. Manson is exactly like Polak, likely a bit better but the same thing. The way TO plays they don't need some cement footed, shot blocker who hits, they need guys who can keep the puck in our possession, deny zone entries, transition up the ice. Manson isn't good at any of that. Most "defensive defenceman" are not good at that. Severson isn't an all offence defenceman, neither is Klingberg. Severson is a strong two way guy, similar to Brodie. Yeah he got caught looking a couple times in the past two games but he's a good player. Great skater, isn't small by any means and can handle the puck. Klingberg is big, fast, smooth and really smart. His defensive issues I think have more to do with the system Dallas plays than Klingberg. Put him in the Leafs system with a steady partner like Muzzin and it helps both. Klingberg gets the puck up ice fast, taking a lot of pressure off Muzzin to do that which he's been struggling with a bit this year. Either would be a nice upgrade over Holl who would slide down to the 3rd pair. Liljegren and Dermott become the 7/8 defenceman and likely both see time in the playoffs because injuries will happen.

I bet you are one of the guys who would move Dermott and Holl for one guy and then cry when Biega has to play in a deciding game.