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Provorov

Créé par: Sicarius
Équipe: 2021-22 Blues de St-Louis
Date de création initiale: 26 janv. 2022
Publié: 27 janv. 2022
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27 janv. 2022 à 23 h 47
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I dont think blues do that even if his dog comes to St Louis with him
27 janv. 2022 à 23 h 49
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Quoting: Shire
I dont think blues do that even if his dog comes to St Louis with him


Umm Blues ? Philly is the one who rejects this
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28 janv. 2022 à 0 h 26
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Umm Blues ? Philly is the one who rejects this


Both reject. Provorov fell off a ton, Blues wouldn't want another offensive defenseman as for Philadelphia he's one of the main pieces you want to keep for a retool regardless of his awful season.
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28 janv. 2022 à 0 h 29
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Both reject. Provorov fell off a ton, Blues wouldn't want another offensive defenseman as for Philadelphia he's one of the main pieces you want to keep for a retool regardless of his awful season.



Provorov can do it all including physically. He’s not an “offensive defenseman”
28 janv. 2022 à 0 h 44
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if im philly, im asking neighbours and kyrou. if those 2 aren't in it, philly has no need to trade him. blues fans might scream its an over payment, but his value amongst gm's is pretty high
28 janv. 2022 à 0 h 52
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Quoting: Hockey247
if im philly, im asking neighbours and kyrou. if those 2 aren't in it, philly has no need to trade him. blues fans might scream its an over payment, but his value amongst gm's is pretty high


Neighbors is there but if Kyrou is being traded farabee is coming back
28 janv. 2022 à 0 h 57
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Quoting: Sicarius
Provorov can do it all including physically. He’s not an “offensive defenseman”


The only thing he excels at is finishing which he is 87th percentile of all defenseman in the NHL in advanced analytics. EV offense 48th percentile EV Defense 39th Percentile Power Play 1st Percentile Penalty Kill 4th Percentile, Overall in WAR (Wins Above Replacement) of all defenseman 25th percentile Yes he's 6'1 201 pounds but he worries more about his offense than his defense. He doesn't play defense if he did he would leave heart out to dry all year long.
28 janv. 2022 à 1 h 17
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Quoting: Hockey247
if im philly, im asking neighbours and kyrou. if those 2 aren't in it, philly has no need to trade him. blues fans might scream its an over payment, but his value amongst gm's is pretty high


Provorovs value is definitely high but Kyrou in the deal is way too steep. Kyrou is 23 right handed shot that is putting up over a point per game. He's a star player.
28 janv. 2022 à 4 h 10
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Not a chance in hell.
28 janv. 2022 à 9 h 6
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
The only thing he excels at is finishing which he is 87th percentile of all defenseman in the NHL in advanced analytics. EV offense 48th percentile EV Defense 39th Percentile Power Play 1st Percentile Penalty Kill 4th Percentile, Overall in WAR (Wins Above Replacement) of all defenseman 25th percentile Yes he's 6'1 201 pounds but he worries more about his offense than his defense. He doesn't play defense if he did he would leave heart out to dry all year long.


Instead of looking up advanced stats you can just say that you've not spent much time watching him play :-)
28 janv. 2022 à 12 h 19
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Another 6-7 mill D, what are we San Jose?
28 janv. 2022 à 12 h 23
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Instead of looking up advanced stats you can just say that you've not spent much time watching him play :-)


Lol. Sicarius if anyone hasn't watched hockey is you. You are a Tampa and St.Louis fan ironically those are the only 2 that have won cups in the past 3 years. I've watched every game this year thanks to multicast. Maybe you should instead of using your eyes (which doesn't really tell anyone anything only that you believe Provorov is a defensive defenseman which is hilarious) you should start looking into the stats how about the fact he has given away the puck more than taken away which also tells you a lot about his defense v his offense.
28 janv. 2022 à 14 h 32
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Lol. Sicarius if anyone hasn't watched hockey is you. You are a Tampa and St.Louis fan ironically those are the only 2 that have won cups in the past 3 years. I've watched every game this year thanks to multicast. Maybe you should instead of using your eyes (which doesn't really tell anyone anything only that you believe Provorov is a defensive defenseman which is hilarious) you should start looking into the stats how about the fact he has given away the puck more than taken away which also tells you a lot about his defense v his offense.



You obviously have some trouble with reading comprehension. You are the one that claimed he is an offensive defenseman. I said he can do it all. Now you are insinuating I said he’s a shutdown defensive D.

I’ve been a hockey fan since ‘80. I have no clue what you’re trying to accomplish by saying Tampa and the Blues have won recently.

You show your complete ignorance about Provorov. He’s a legitimate #1 D and can in fact do everything asked from a top D. I doubt if you’ve ever seen him play outside of Blues games and if you have it further shows your incompetence in evaluating NHL players.
28 janv. 2022 à 14 h 56
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You obviously have some trouble with reading comprehension. You are the one that claimed he is an offensive defenseman. I said he can do it all. Now you are insinuating I said he’s a shutdown defensive D.

I’ve been a hockey fan since ‘80. I have no clue what you’re trying to accomplish by saying Tampa and the Blues have won recently.

You show your complete ignorance about Provorov. He’s a legitimate #1 D and can in fact do everything asked from a top D. I doubt if you’ve ever seen him play outside of Blues games and if you have it further shows your incompetence in evaluating NHL players.


It's not a claim it's literally common knowledge that he is. Ask any Flyers fans lmao. If you think he's defensive defenseman you think that yourself almost no one else thinks that ever.

He plays #1 D minutes, but it doesn't make him a number 1 D just like for Krug in STL. Just because he's a top pairing defenseman on the Blues doesn't make him any less of a 3 through 4 defenseman at best. It's simply based on the team's depth. With Sanheim and Yandle behind him yeah you can say he plays as #1 D in Philly doesn't make him that good. Provorov is not Jaccob Slavin, Charlie McAvoy, Victor Hedman, Alex Pietrangelo, Shea Theodore, Drew Doughty, John Carlson, Seth Jones, John Klingberg, Miro Heiskanen, Cale Makar, Adam Fox, Matt Dumba, Jared Spurgeon, Kris Letang, Roman Josi, Dougie Hamilton, Adam Pelech, Ryan Pulock, Aaron Ekblad, MacKenzie Weegar, Mark Giordano, Christopher Tanev, Noah Hanifin, or Hampus Lindholm. Some of the guys I named I wouldn't even consider 1D. This is based on the advanced analytics I can pull so you don't pull the bull**** of when I go by my eyes. "Oh well you don't have anything to prove this or that, and you have a bad opinion"

Just to be clear. Just because you have been a fan of hockey since the 80s doesn't make you more knowledgeable because clearly because he plays in the D zone makes him more of a defensive player than an offensive player to you. He's all offense. I don't even think I should bring up the fact that over 20 goals have been because of his poor defensive performance or his giveaways. That would just send you into a complete whirl wind. But hey I guess watching Boston make minced meat out of Philadelphia when Marchand single handedly ruined the Philadelphia D core (mainly Provorov) scoring a hat trick means nothing to you because if it doesn't help you win an argument it doesn't matter correct? How about how he lost the game to the Stars and you know his own good play that game oh let's see a GOAL. Yes because he's an offensive defenseman. How about the poor defensive performance against Buffalo losing 6-3. How about how he was on the ice playing no defense at all and lost to Columbus last thursday. I watch more hockey than you think but since I don't fit your narrative of thinking it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter all that much though you have the Facebook Blues fan logic written all over you. Good day.
28 janv. 2022 à 14 h 58
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It's society nowadays I guess.
28 janv. 2022 à 15 h 0
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Who knows what Provorov would actually bring to the table all I know is he's another Vince Dunn.
28 janv. 2022 à 15 h 18
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Who knows what Provorov would actually bring to the table all I know is he's another Vince Dunn.


You still can’t understand what you read which isn’t surprising at this point. The fact you think Provorov = Dunn pretty much says it all. You could have started with this and that way everyone would realize your evaluation skills.
28 janv. 2022 à 17 h 20
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You still can’t understand what you read which isn’t surprising at this point. The fact you think Provorov = Dunn pretty much says it all. You could have started with this and that way everyone would realize your evaluation skills.


at this point with how many mistakes he's been making yeah I can pretty much say he's played like Dunn. I can definitively say that he plays like Dunn when he gets set into a berube system.
28 janv. 2022 à 17 h 28
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You still can’t understand what you read which isn’t surprising at this point. The fact you think Provorov = Dunn pretty much says it all. You could have started with this and that way everyone would realize your evaluation skills.


Provorov has never been able to pinch or even remotely move in behind the net. Ever. You want him to play bigger than he is in a Berube system. Especially when you want him to replace Marco Scandella. Regardless of how bad Scandella is Provorov isn't better defensively.

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This proves my point. Like you can have your old school opinion all you want, but when Provorov has the same play style as Vince Dunn. Hell Vince Dunn is better than Ivan Provorov. So the fact you believe he's even remotely good just proves you honestly know nothing and are basically like every other Blues facebook fan just base their evaluation off of name alone.

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Your eye view is worth almost nothing just like mine is worth almost nothing especially to each other. Being you have been a "fan" since the 80s still doesn't make you anything whatsoever. But these stats do. Like both of these. Which just disproved your entire argument. Now have a good day smile
 
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