Trocheck will cost more than that. If he only demanded that, an extension would already be in place with Carolina.

In my opinion, Hertl is pretty close to the ideal fit for Colorado’s current lineup. He adds size to their 2nd line, has positional versatility, and is obviously very skilled. There’s a sense that the Avs may prefer a right-shot to go with all their lefties, but I don’t think that’s a deal breaker.

I struggle a little bit with the asking price specifically for COL. I think SJ will get a great return for Hertl if they decide to deal him. But the Avs may be better off by giving up 70% of the asking price to get a player who’s 90% as effective. Joe Pavelski is a guy who checks a lot of boxes in my opinion. He may not be quite as impactful as Hertl, but I would guess he’s not nearly as expensive (although I could be wrong).

The other piece of this is the potential extension. Trading for a rental comes with the inherent risk of the player walking away in the summer, but I think most teams are hopeful that they’ll have a chance to re-sign said player. In Colorado’s case, they already have pending UFAs in Kadri, Burakovsky, and Nichushkin. Plus MacKinnon is up the following year, and they have some guys coming off ELCs at the same time. A big ticket extension for Hertl is unlikely unless they let a couple other guys go as free agents. They may be better off giving up similar/less assets to get a less impactful player who has some term. Connor Brown, for example, has come up on this forum.

I wouldn’t be upset if Sakic & Co. got aggressive and brought in a Tomas Hertl, especially if it pays off with playoff success. But it may not be the most efficient use of their assets this TDL.

Doesn't matter. Any centre around his caliber

People don't realize how adept Hertl is about everything. He's a top penalty killer, top power play, super positive culture driver and leader on top of his elite level goal scoring ability. The prototypical elite power forward who really raises his game in the playoffs. Avalanche would be number one contenders with Hertl and frankly the ask here is very fair. SJ gets a future and a vet, COL gets a guy that can push the avs over the top. (And they get Compher off payroll next year to explore FA a little more)

I definitely didn’t say the trade value isn’t fair…
I actually think what you proposed is very fair. What I said is that a Hertl trade may not be the right fit for Colorado.

I wasn't suggesting you did. Just stating what kind of value they would get. Hertl also has a 3 team trade list and I don't see him wanting to venture too far from his wife and son.

I have a feeling Sakic isn't going to be trading major assets for big-name guys between now and the TDL. My feeling is that he'll trade lesser assets or role-players to bring in legit help for the bottom six and PK unit (both F and D); I'm thinking guys that are solid but won't cost a ton: Appleton, Johansson, Jarnkrok, Crouse, Lekhonen, guys like that. Maybe he surprises us but it hasn't been his style to go after the big fish and overpay like always happens at the TDL. I know there are plenty of people who want him to shoot his wad and go "all in" this season by going after those big fish like Hertl (assuming he even wants to leave SJ) or Giroux or Pavelski (assuming the Stars are out of the playoff hunt) but those kinds of moves are super risky and don't pay off very often; it's the smaller moves that seem to pay bigger dividends. Can anyone think of a recent big-name move at or near the the TDL that helped a team win the Cup?

Agree but teams still do it. Avs not so much maybe but they've struggled to exit the 2nd round (injuries) and then teams like Boston on their last competitive years..

With things looking like Karlsson out long-term, Labanc out long-term, Knyzhov and Middleton both still out...Sharks will probably move him, or at least they should.

Teams definitely do it but it frequently does not move the needle for them. The injury thing points to them needing more quality depth rather than one guy like Hertl. I mean what happens if Hertl comes in and get hurt? But they haven't made it out of the 2nd round the past three years for very different reasons. My bet is on Sakic making lesser moves to shore up the bottom six defensively and on the PK; the Avs don't exactly have a "shutdown" line right now but a line of something like Jarnkrok-Newhook-Crouse might do it. And finding a good defensive D that can skate wouldn't hurt, either. It's just a guess on my part but I think it's more worth it to add two solid bottom six guys and depth D than going after one Hertl.

Hertl is one of the top PKers in the league.

I'm sure he's great - he's good at everything. But the price is really high and he will be an FA after the season. Maybe it's worth it to go for him and there are plenty of people who would, I'm just not sure Sakic is one of them.

Reimers isn't getting you a first plus a player. Certainly not from Ken Holland, anyhow. Try again.

Kassian is a dump and if Edmonton doesn't improve their goaltending they are screwed IMO

Is Reimer an improvement though? He's played on 5 teams in 7 years and you want to move him again... and i don't believe Kassian is a dump.

But even if he was, they can buy him out for a fairly minimal cap hit. No need to trade a 1st with nothing more than a journeyman backup coming back.

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He's better stats than all Oil goalies. He was even better until he played injured.

If Smith is injured they'll need a starter. Reimer isn't going to cut it.

Skinner will be the backup next year so I don't see any reason to go after Reimer.

Oilers can't afford much better lets be honest. They could just scrap this year early but they won't.

They're only a few points out of a playoff spot, why would they scrap the season right now? Of course they won't.

They've been horrible for weeks, They're only still in it because of their hot start.

3-5-2 in their past 10 isn't great buy it's not "horrible", either. They have effectively kept pace with 3 of the Pacific teams immediately in front of them: San Jose (4-5-1), Calgary (4-6-0) and Anaheim (4-6-0). So they're in decent shape if they can string a few wins together soon.

Compher + a 1st does it for me.