Lol a 1st for Lehkonen, what are you on to think that happens?

Teams are begging for him. One of the best defensive wingers in all of hockey and you get for this year and next.

the first 3 trades are horrendous. last trade doesnt make sense. toffoli will fetch at least a 1st plus that package and more. change the 3rd to a 1st in the rangers deal. i dont think lehky nets a 1st unless an insane bidding war starts. i know what FS said.

Frank Servalli said he compares Lehkonen's interest in Coleman's meaning somebody will overpay for him.

Pelletier isn't a center

It really is not a stretch, Goodrow, Coleman and Pageau are all similar players who all returned a 1st +. Coleman is better and had 2 20 goal seasons so he returned basically 2 1st's, Pageau is a center but had similar numbers as Lehkonen so he got a 1st + 2nd (value of a center being slightly higher). Goodrow is not as good as Lehkonen but still returned a 1st + 3rd and was a UFA so was only a rental where as Lehkonen has 1.5 years of team control given that he is an RFA. Lehkonen should be able to get between a 1st + 3rd (Goodrow value) and a 1st + 2nd (Pageau value).

He's the best defensive forward (potentially) available, but Montreal has no need to move him. They aren't trading him just for the sake of trading him. You're going to have to pry him away. That could mean a 1st or a quality prospect. They could still get at least a 2nd for him next year, so you'll have to do better than that.

Those 3 players are significantly better offensively than Lehkonen, and in the case of Goodrow and Coleman were on cheaper contracts with more term. Don’t get me wrong Lehkonen is a good get, but you aren’t getting the return those 3 guys got. And for the record because a reporter says a guy “could be this years Coleman” it doesn’t mean he is Coleman or his return would be Coleman-esque. The other thing to take into account is there was no covid cap when those 3 were traded and Lehkonen needs a new deal.

Goodrow played any position, including center, and played a ton of penalty kill minutes. He also was like $900,000 aav and had an extra year on his contract. Also, the sharks gave up a 3rd in the deal, the did not receive a 3rd. It was Goodrow and a 3rd for Tampa’s 1st and Anthony Greco.

Even if Nashville was interested in Drouin, we don’t need the retention so we wouldn’t pay the premium for it. Don’t think we’d trade glass for drouin

WOW, you must not like Lehkonen very much, to say that all 3 of those players are significantly better offensively is a big stretch of the imagination. Pageau's career PPG are 0.43, Coleman's is 0.41, Goodrow's is 0.30 and Lehkonen's is 0.36 all within 0.05 PPG of Lehkonen that translates to 5 points more per season for Pageau, 4 points more for Coleman and 5 less points per season for Goodrow. I will submit that Goodrow was on a very cheap contract and that Coleman was 500k les expensive but Lehkonen is also better defensively than Goodrow and probably evenly matched with Coleman and Pageau. Yes Lehkonen does need a new contract but so did all 3 of the others at the time of the trade and Lehkonen is still an RFA so he is still under team control and his QO is still just the 2.3 Mil he is currently paid.

Goodrow is not better offensively or defensively than Lehkonen. Only thing he has over lehky is size.

None of the others are "significantly better offensively" either all are within 0.05PPG of Lehkonen over their careers.

You’re kidding yourself. Coleman and Pageau have multiple 20 goal seasons, Pageau 40 pts seasons. But hey leave it to MTL fans to take a piece of reporting by a reporter to hyper inflate their players value. And I’ll even give you credit, Goodrow isn’t better offensively I was influenced by his play with SJS against COL.

LOL even with the 2 20 goal seasons that Coleman had he still doesn't put up much more offense than Lehkonen. I showed you above that over their careers they are within 0.05ppg which translates to 4 more points a season for Coleman over Lehkonen. Every player has up and down years, hence the reason we use career stats to compare players and PPG to compare value. We aren't comparing Lehkonen to Matthews here. You may have issue with Lehkonen cause you hate the Habs or whatever but the fact remains their career stats are directly comparable. BTW Pageau did not have multiple 20+ goal seasons he had a single 20 goal season. If you really want to get into the stats and use outlier stats to prove your point, I can flip that around and say that Lehkonen is more consistent than Pageau and Coleman in that his stats don't vary as much from year to year. Saying a guy like Pageau is more offensive based on 2 40 point seasons in an 11 year career is laughable those 2 seasons are outliers not the norm. Same as Coleman 2 out of 6 seasons he scored 20 goals again these seem to be the outlier not the norm, although with Coleman he is still young enough to make it the norm depending on how the rest of his career goes.

No sir, Calgary very much declines a package involving a prospect of Pelletier's caliber for a middle 6 winger

Toffoli is a top 6 winger. That being said, Pelltier is a lot to give up.

Top 6 winger implies he is also a 1st line winger. I do not consider him that. He is a solid 2nd line winger and on a team with good depth he could definitely be pushed down to the 3rd line. Hence why I consider him middle 6, I would say he is on the upper echelon of middle 6 wingers though

????

What kind of 3rd liner was on pace for 40 goals last year and plays in every situation (PK, PP, 5v5, etc)

I didn't call him a 3rd liner