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Playing around with long term implications of Chychrun

Créé par: Masonh618
Équipe: 2022-23 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 23 janv. 2022
Publié: 23 janv. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Jakob Chychrun was never a player I thought had a legitimate chance to be a Ranger until recently. Considering his term I wanted to try to map what future seasons might look like as a result.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
22 600 000 $
1800 000 $
1775 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
85 350 000 $
2950 000 $
1750 000 $
11 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
ARI
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali [Droits de RFA]
  2. Lundkvist, Nils
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
Détails additionnels:
This is what I imagine Drury offered in the proposal Jeff Marek reported. Personally I think it’s more likely to come through if the Rangers add a final sweetener. Perhaps asding a 2nd round pick would make the trade somewhat comparable to Anthony Mantha? (This would be an A prospect and a B prospect instead of a roster player and a cap dump)
2.
NYR
  1. Lagesson, William [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
EDM
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
3.
NYR
  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2022 (BUF)
Rachats de contrats
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2022
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2023
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Logo de EDM
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2182 500 000 $82 260 636 $0 $4 500 000 $239 364 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Rangers de New York
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Rangers de New York
11 642 857 $11 642 857 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 5
Logo de Rangers de New York
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
762 500 $762 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
3 641 667 $3 641 667 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Rangers de New York
894 167 $894 167 $
AG
RFA - 4
Logo de Rangers de New York
950 000 $950 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Rangers de New York
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 7
Logo de Rangers de New York
5 666 667 $5 666 667 $
G
UFA - 3
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DG
RFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
775 000 $775 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1

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23 janv. 2022 à 20 h 27
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23 janv. 2022 à 20 h 32
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You gut the offensive depth to fill a hole they don't have.

They have enough prospects that can fill that slot in the future. Get a rental like McNabb, who would be a better add for this team heading into the playoffs
23 janv. 2022 à 20 h 42
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First I doubt if Arizona take that deal. But haven't you proved that this lineup isn't really cap friendly? Some bonuses which would mean a less cap in 23/24 likely.
23 janv. 2022 à 20 h 57
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Quoting: Josh
You gut the offensive depth to fill a hole they don't have.

They have enough prospects that can fill that slot in the future. Get a rental like McNabb, who would be a better add for this team heading into the playoffs


It is a hole when you’re dependent on unknown prospects to do everything for you, and I have to disagree that only trading Filip Chytil away equals “gutting the offensive depth”
23 janv. 2022 à 20 h 58
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First I doubt if Arizona take that deal. But haven't you proved that this lineup isn't really cap friendly? Some bonuses which would mean a less cap in 23/24 likely.


Are you talking about bonus overages from 2022-23 transferring to 2023-24? $4.95M doesn’t exceed the limit for that
23 janv. 2022 à 21 h 0
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Are you talking about bonus overages from 2022-23 transferring to 2023-24? $4.95M doesn’t exceed the limit for that


Well you have just a 21 man roster with just 208,000 in cap space. And yes, any bonuses over 208,000 would transfer to 23/24
23 janv. 2022 à 21 h 6
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Well you have just a 21 man roster with just 208,000 in cap space. And yes, any bonuses over 208,000 would transfer to 23/24


No, any bonuses over $6.125M transfer. That’s why bonus performances are separated from cap space on CapFriendly.

$4.95M doesn’t exceed $6.125M
23 janv. 2022 à 21 h 11
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No, any bonuses over $6.125M transfer. That’s why bonus performances are separated from cap space on CapFriendly.

I don't know where you get that 6.125m figure....It's the figures shown in your 22/23 rosters as 4.95m.
23 janv. 2022 à 22 h 51
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https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/answers/performance-bonuses-overage-75-cushion

minor correction though: it’s actually $6.1125M
23 janv. 2022 à 23 h 44
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https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/answers/performance-bonuses-overage-75-cushion

minor correction though: it’s actually $6.1125M


???? Sure a team can have 6.115m in bonuses. But in 21/22 a team has 80m in regular cap and 4m that was actually spend on bonus, then their total cap is 84m, 3.5m over the 81,5m limit. Then they have to pay back 3.5 from the cap in 22/23. So instead of a 82,5m cap they would only have 79m to spend in 23/24
24 janv. 2022 à 0 h 50
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???? Sure a team can have 6.115m in bonuses. But in 21/22 a team has 80m in regular cap and 4m that was actually spend on bonus, then their total cap is 84m, 3.5m over the 81,5m limit. Then they have to pay back 3.5 from the cap in 22/23. So instead of a 82,5m cap they would only have 79m to spend in 23/24

This is really flying over your head. The bonus cushion is COMPLETELY SEPARATE from cap space.

It’s when you exceed $6.1125m that overages start counting toward your cap space.

If your cap hit is $79M and you have to pay $4M in bonuses, your final cap hit is still $79M. If your cap hit is $79M and you have to pay $7M in bonuses, your final cap hit is $79.8875M because your bonuses costed $887.5k more than the maximum.
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This is really flying over your head. The bonus cushion is COMPLETELY SEPARATE from cap space.

It’s when you exceed $6.1125m that overages start counting toward your cap space.

If your cap hit is $79M and you have to pay $4M in bonuses, your final cap hit is still $79M. If your cap hit is $79M and you have to pay $7M in bonuses, your final cap hit is $79.8875M because your bonuses costed $887.5k more than the maximum.


I read the difference scenarios for the bonuses. You seemed to skipped down and missed the important part of the bonus cap implication. Here it is,

"Performance Bonuses are paid out following the season. The bonuses are added to the final cap hit for the year that was just concluded, and if that total including bonuses earned exceeds the salary cap, the excess is a bonus carryover overage that is a cap hit for the following year."

Certainly all teams that pay to the cap would bonus structures in so they would pay to about 6.1m to give an additional cap EVERY year. This doesn't happen.
 
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