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23 janv. 2022 à 13 h 21
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I like the trade if they extend Copp.

The D pairings is a big no.

Taking Steen out of the lineup is a no.

Haula has 9 points in 11 games playing between Pasta and Hall, it’s working, not sure they should change it. Copp is better at wing anyway.
23 janv. 2022 à 13 h 31
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Quoting: Gofnut999
I like the trade. Especially if they extend Copp.

The D pairings is a big no.

Taking Steen out of the lineup is a no.

Haula has 9 points in 11 games playing between Pasta and Hall, it’s working, not sure they should change it. Copp is better at wing anyway.


So switch copp with haula but on d what do you do then?
23 janv. 2022 à 13 h 35
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So switch copp with haula but on d what do you do then?


Dillon is not a 1st pair 22-24 minute a night guy. I do like him paired with Mac tho. More so than Grizz or Forbort.

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You have a puck mover and a stay at home on each pair. And Forbort is more comfortable on his offside than the rest are.
23 janv. 2022 à 13 h 47
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Dillon is not a 1st pair 22-24 minute a night guy. I do like him paired with Mac tho. More so than Grizz or Forbort.

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You have a puck mover and a stay at home on each pair. And Forbort is more comfortable on his offside than the rest are.


I agree with, the things Is that I know we need a 22+ minutes lhd but we don’t have the pieces to get one, and coming into playoff big boys like Dillon helps a lot, look at the habs last series there d were big and imposing, and I feel that we always are the one who gets intimidating and with a guy like Dillon our could be the one intimidating
23 janv. 2022 à 13 h 50
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In terms of the trade Dillon's value is about 2 2nds, and I think Copp could get us a 1st and a decent prospect. So you might need to add a bit more. I don't think that Dillon will move until after the season unless we have no shot at the playoffs.
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23 janv. 2022 à 14 h 2
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In terms of the trade Dillon's value is about 2 2nds, and I think Copp could get us a 1st and a decent prospect. So you might need to add a bit more. I don't think that Dillon will move until after the season unless we have no shot at the playoffs.


1st and Studnicka is 1st and decent prospect. Debrusk and Zboril worth more than pair of 2nds. So….no they don’t add anything.
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23 janv. 2022 à 14 h 32
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If the Jets are out then this is a good trade for both teams. Not sure if Debrusk is what the Jets need but who says they can't trade him right away? Maybe a 3-way trade
23 janv. 2022 à 14 h 49
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Sold, I'll pay for Dillon and Copp's taxi to the airport.

Dillon would be really good for the Bruins, he's been solid for the Jets but they need to get some of their young dmen into the lineup.
23 janv. 2022 à 14 h 53
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If the Jets are out then this is a good trade for both teams. Not sure if Debrusk is what the Jets need but who says they can't trade him right away? Maybe a 3-way trade


I think the Jets could use a guy like Debrusk who'll go to the net, he looked good to me yesterday, seems like the kind of player the Jets could use.
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23 janv. 2022 à 14 h 57
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1st and Studnicka is 1st and decent prospect. Debrusk and Zboril worth more than pair of 2nds. So….no they don’t add anything.


I don’t think the value is the issue. Debrusk and the 1st are good starting points. Studnika is even a good piece to add. But I’m sure the jets could get something better elsewhere. The jets can get a slightly better package than a very late 1st and a b prospect (studnika) for copp, though that is not the issue. The jets also do not want or need zboril. Overall, this trade just doesn’t offer enough to make me want to move both guys.

However, if the jets are out of the playoffs and copp isn’t going to sign and extension, I’d be willing to consider it. Maybe replace zboril with a 2nd to sweeten the pot, but I’d probably go with another team who outbids Boston.
23 janv. 2022 à 14 h 57
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I think the Jets could use a guy like Debrusk who'll go to the net, he looked good to me yesterday, seems like the kind of player the Jets could use.


Agreed. He would be a good guy to add. Would fit well on the 3rd/4th lines, or maybe even on a line with schiefele and ehelrs.
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23 janv. 2022 à 15 h 11
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I don’t think the value is the issue. Debrusk and the 1st are good starting points. Studnika is even a good piece to add. But I’m sure the jets could get something better elsewhere. The jets can get a slightly better package than a very late 1st and a b prospect (studnika) for copp, though that is not the issue. The jets also do not want or need zboril. Overall, this trade just doesn’t offer enough to make me want to move both guys.

However, if the jets are out of the playoffs and copp isn’t going to sign and extension, I’d be willing to consider it. Maybe replace zboril with a 2nd to sweeten the pot, but I’d probably go with another team who outbids Boston.



Bostons pick right now would be 19, that’s not “very low”. Not even in the bottom 3rd. Of all the teams that are likely to be buyers Bostons 1st will likely be one of the better ones.


You’d be better off with Zboril than the 2nd, he was playing great before the injury and would have taken over LD1 slot. And you are not getting a 3 piece package for Copp as a rental where all of the pieces would 2nd or better. A 1st and anyone of the pieces mentioned would be FMV.

This is one of the better trades on here that works well for both teams.
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23 janv. 2022 à 15 h 15
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I could see the 1st and Studnica as good value for Copp, but DeBrusk doesn't add much as with his QO, he's not worth much if anything at all. Zboril as an LD also holds no value to Winnipeg, so it would need to be picks or players the Jets need if they moved Dillon, which before the summer is unlikely.
23 janv. 2022 à 15 h 18
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Agreed. He would be a good guy to add. Would fit well on the 3rd/4th lines, or maybe even on a line with schiefele and ehelrs.


I think you're forgetting about how bad DeBrusk's QO is. He's not worth paying to acquire. Just sign him in the summer if you want him after Boston passes on qualifying him.
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I could see the 1st and Studnica as good value for Copp, but DeBrusk doesn't add much as with his QO, he's not worth much if anything at all. Zboril as an LD also holds no value to Winnipeg, so it would need to be picks or players the Jets need if they moved Dillon, which before the summer is unlikely.


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I think you're forgetting about how bad DeBrusk's QO is. He's not worth paying to acquire. Just sign him in the summer if you want him after Boston passes on qualifying him.


The QO is only relevant if you make it and he takes it.

My guess is he would be open to a reasonable extension before it even came to that.

Ridiculous how little you think of him. The last 2 years when he’s struggled, for multiple reasons, he’s played 75 games and has 11g 16a which is equal to or better than Copps first 5 years in the league. Before that he averaged 25g per 82. He’s coming around and starting to look more like the player he started out as. He’d be top 6 for you.

Zboril is better than Stanley and Samberg right now.
23 janv. 2022 à 15 h 34
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The QO is only relevant if you make it and he takes it.

My guess is he would be open to a reasonable extension before it even came to that.

Ridiculous how little you think of him. The last 2 years when he’s struggled, for multiple reasons, he’s played 75 games and has 11g 16a which is equal to or better than Copps first 5 years in the league. He’d be top 6 for you.

Zboril is better than Stanley and Samberg right now.


Actually it's relevant in that DeBrusk could be acquired without giving up anything for him. He's certainly not worth his QO, so Boston isn't going to qualify him. So if he'll accept a contract the reflects his skill as a middle of the road bottom sixer, then you sign him. If hit, he goes to Europe.

Zboril isn't better than anyone, he plays KD which is the Jets deepest defensive position, so adding a guy that would be 5th of 6th on the left side, doesn't add much value.

That's fine that you believe every Bruin is an All-Star, but when the play redundant positions for the Jets, they aren't worth targeting when moving players that can get assets the Jets can use.
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Actually it's relevant in that DeBrusk could be acquired without giving up anything for him. He's certainly not worth his QO, so Boston isn't going to qualify him. So if he'll accept a contract the reflects his skill as a middle of the road bottom sixer, then you sign him. If hit, he goes to Europe.

Zboril isn't better than anyone, he plays KD which is the Jets deepest defensive position, so adding a guy that would be 5th of 6th on the left side, doesn't add much value.

That's fine that you believe every Bruin is an All-Star, but when the play redundant positions for the Jets, they aren't worth targeting when moving players that can get assets the Jets can use.


Wanna bet?

If Boston does not trade him they will qualify him. It’s a 800k raise. Undeserved but it’s only 1 year and his ceiling is higher than his QO. If he doesn’t take it even better. They retain his rights and can sign him for less.

Clearly you did not watch Zboril play at all this year. 🤷🏻‍♂️
23 janv. 2022 à 15 h 46
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Wanna bet?

If Boston does not trade him they will qualify him. It’s a 800k raise. Undeserved but it’s only 1 year and his ceiling is higher than his QO.

Clearly you did not watch Zboril play at all this year. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Okay cool. If the Bruins like DeBrusk the should keep him.

30 decent games by a 24 year old player isn't convincing enough to give him a spot over two younger players, one for sure with to 4 potential, when Zboril will be looking for a raise that the Jets don't have the cap space for. There's only so much you can pay for bottom pairing guys.
24 janv. 2022 à 12 h 56
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Bostons pick right now would be 19, that’s not “very low”. Not even in the bottom 3rd. Of all the teams that are likely to be buyers Bostons 1st will likely be one of the better ones.


You’d be better off with Zboril than the 2nd, he was playing great before the injury and would have taken over LD1 slot. And you are not getting a 3 piece package for Copp as a rental where all of the pieces would 2nd or better. A 1st and anyone of the pieces mentioned would be FMV.

This is one of the better trades on here that works well for both teams.


Boston will probably make it through at least 2 rounds, making it a very late 1st. The jets have a logjam of ld, don’t need zboril to block the way for the likes of heinola and Samberg.

I never talked about a 3 piece package, I just said that the jets could probably get something just a bit more enticing. Maybe a better 1st or a slightly better prospect. I also said that that wasn’t the point I was making, but rather just a side note.

And, as @Windjammer pointed out, debrusk’s qo is quite high. With the jets being a cap or near cap team, the jets can’t really afford that. Not saying that diminishes his value, but I’m saying it hurts the jets’ interest in the package. Add in that zboril is not needed and I think the jets could find an offer that better suits their needs elsewhere, maybe even moving both players separately.
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Boston will probably make it through at least 2 rounds, making it a very late 1st. The jets have a logjam of ld, don’t need zboril to block the way for the likes of heinola and Samberg.

I never talked about a 3 piece package, I just said that the jets could probably get something just a bit more enticing. Maybe a better 1st or a slightly better prospect. I also said that that wasn’t the point I was making, but rather just a side note.

And, as Windjammer pointed out, debrusk’s qo is quite high. With the jets being a cap or near cap team, the jets can’t really afford that. Not saying that diminishes his value, but I’m saying it hurts the jets’ interest in the package. Add in that zboril is not needed and I think the jets could find an offer that better suits their needs elsewhere, maybe even moving both players separately.




Agreed
 
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