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23 janv. 2022 à 4 h 26
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Not cap dumps and mid draft picks
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23 janv. 2022 à 4 h 35
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around what you'd want for Boeser
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23 janv. 2022 à 4 h 45
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More than that, that's for sure.
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23 janv. 2022 à 4 h 51
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Quoting: bunnymcfoo
More than that, that's for sure.


No, this is pretty reasonable for Konecny, but Vancouver ain't giving up that package

Quoting: majormoose007
around what you'd want for Boeser


Hell no, Konecny is not even close to Boeser's level

Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Not cap dumps and mid draft picks


Pearson and Dickinson aren't cap dumps, they're both very useful players, and 2nd an 3rd round picks are not mid-round picks, their high draft picks
23 janv. 2022 à 5 h 48
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No, this is pretty reasonable for Konecny, but Vancouver ain't giving up that package



Hell no, Konecny is not even close to Boeser's level



Pearson and Dickinson aren't cap dumps, they're both very useful players, and 2nd an 3rd round picks are not mid-round picks, their high draft picks


You should keep your very useful players and picks then
23 janv. 2022 à 5 h 55
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You should keep your very useful players and picks then


I can't tell if you are being insulting/ridiculing
23 janv. 2022 à 5 h 57
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Hell no, Konecny is not even close to Boeser's level


This is quite an incorrect statement. They're VERY similar, and TK is probably better.

At the same age, TK has a higher career-high in points having passed the 60 mark, something Boeser hasn't done.

While Boeser has the edge slightly in the goal-scoring department, TK is the better playmaker, and doesn't;t have the injury issues Boeser does. Both are 24 years old, and both play for struggling organizations, They're very comparable, and I'd say TK is better
23 janv. 2022 à 6 h 11
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This is quite an incorrect statement. They're VERY similar, and TK is probably better.

At the same age, TK has a higher career-high in points having passed the 60 mark, something Boeser hasn't done.

While Boeser has the edge slightly in the goal-scoring department, TK is the better playmaker, and doesn't;t have the injury issues Boeser does. Both are 24 years old, and both play for struggling organizations, They're very comparable, and I'd say TK is better


Konecny has not been the same since that 60 point season, or maybe that one season was a bit of a fluke. Other than that season, Boeser has had a higher scoring pace than Konecny in every season they've both been in the league. I know this season Konecny has more points than Boeser so far, and it's totally fair to say he's a better playmaker, but the season is only half way done

When comparing scoring, you should never compare actual point totals because that doesn't account for the difference in number of games played, you have to compare scoring paces, you don't seem to get that. I've seen multiple users besides myself scoff at you for your flawed logic on here

Also, Boeser's injury history doesn't really hurt his value because when he recovers, he's always been able to get back to his optimal level of play so far in his career
23 janv. 2022 à 6 h 11
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This is quite an incorrect statement. They're VERY similar, and TK is probably better.

At the same age, TK has a higher career-high in points having passed the 60 mark, something Boeser hasn't done.

While Boeser has the edge slightly in the goal-scoring department, TK is the better playmaker, and doesn't;t have the injury issues Boeser does. Both are 24 years old, and both play for struggling organizations, They're very comparable, and I'd say TK is better


Oh and if you think the Canucks organization is still struggling, you're a little behind the times there
23 janv. 2022 à 6 h 17
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I can't tell if you are being insulting/ridiculing


Im saying your offer is bad
23 janv. 2022 à 6 h 28
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Im saying your offer is bad


WTF man? I didn't post this ACGM
23 janv. 2022 à 6 h 57
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Konecny has not been the same since that 60 point season, or maybe that one season was a bit of a fluke. Other than that season, Boeser has had a higher scoring pace than Konecny in every season they've both been in the league. I know this season Konecny has more points than Boeser so far, and it's totally fair to say he's a better playmaker, but the season is only half way done

When comparing scoring, you should never compare actual point totals because that doesn't account for the difference in number of games played, you have to compare scoring paces, you don't seem to get that. I've seen multiple users besides myself scoff at you for your flawed logic on here

Also, Boeser's injury history doesn't really hurt his value because when he recovers, he's always been able to get back to his optimal level of play so far in his career


Konecny was on pace for 50+ points in the shortened season last year, and is on pace to pass 60 again... did you forget last year was abbreviated?

That's fair, UNLESS you're dealing with a player with injury issues, like Boeser. Boeser can't stay healthy, and that is a negative, so you use the actual numbers because you can't ever be sure you're gonna have him for the rest of the season uninterrupted. I've seen many users beside myself try to outline this to you, but you fail to accept it.

Yes, Boeser's injury history hurts his value. A player's best ability is availability. Boeser doesn't have that as often as Konecny, it hurts his value 100%.
23 janv. 2022 à 6 h 58
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Oh and if you think the Canucks organization is still struggling, you're a little behind the times there


Yes, they are... They're mediocre. A lot like Philadelphia. Should be better than they are, won't make the playoffs, and have no direction.
23 janv. 2022 à 7 h 44
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WTF man? I didn't post this ACGM


My mistake there then
23 janv. 2022 à 11 h 41
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Flyers want top end talent, not more middle six players and sub par draft picks. He probably has similar but slightly lower value then Boesser
23 janv. 2022 à 11 h 44
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IF they trade JT MIller for a 1st would need to use that and either a prospect or young player back.(not sure what PHI is doing really but they need to recoup a 1st for sure this year)
23 janv. 2022 à 15 h 19
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Flyers want top end talent, not more middle six players and sub par draft picks. He probably has similar but slightly lower value then Boesser


I agree, this trade doesn't make sense for either team, especially Philly, but with how Konecny has been playing the past season and a half, I wouldn't pay more than a single 1st rounder for him
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23 janv. 2022 à 15 h 23
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Yes, they are... They're mediocre. A lot like Philadelphia. Should be better than they are, won't make the playoffs, and have no direction.


They might look mediocre based on where they ultimately finish in the standings this season, but there is no question now that the team has a direction. Too bad you can't see it, your team is on the other side of the continent. Philadelphia is less than mediocre I would say
23 janv. 2022 à 15 h 27
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Konecny was on pace for 50+ points in the shortened season last year, and is on pace to pass 60 again... did you forget last year was abbreviated?

That's fair, UNLESS you're dealing with a player with injury issues, like Boeser. Boeser can't stay healthy, and that is a negative, so you use the actual numbers because you can't ever be sure you're gonna have him for the rest of the season uninterrupted. I've seen many users beside myself try to outline this to you, but you fail to accept it.

Yes, Boeser's injury history hurts his value. A player's best ability is availability. Boeser doesn't have that as often as Konecny, it hurts his value 100%.


Are you kidding me? Konecny is NOT on pace for 60 points this season. Of course I recognize that last season was abbreviated

Boeser's value is fine, he's never missed a huge amount of time with injury even though he's never played a full season, that doesn't equate to not being able to stay healthy. While you may not agree with it, there is a very sizeable market for him. I guess you must think Morgan Reilly's value isn't that high due to his injury history. Now you're just making stuff up
23 janv. 2022 à 15 h 31
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Yes, they are... They're mediocre. A lot like Philadelphia. Should be better than they are, won't make the playoffs, and have no direction.


While we are at it, I should take the opportunity to ask you about Raanta's value. By your logic, he shouldn't have any trade value if Carolina wanted to move him because of how injury prone he is
24 janv. 2022 à 1 h 55
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While we are at it, I should take the opportunity to ask you about Raanta's value. By your logic, he shouldn't have any trade value if Carolina wanted to move him because of how injury prone he is


His value would be severely diminished by his injury history, which is true.
24 janv. 2022 à 1 h 56
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Are you kidding me? Konecny is NOT on pace for 60 points this season. Of course I recognize that last season was abbreviated

Boeser's value is fine, he's never missed a huge amount of time with injury even though he's never played a full season, that doesn't equate to not being able to stay healthy. While you may not agree with it, there is a very sizeable market for him. I guess you must think Morgan Reilly's value isn't that high due to his injury history. Now you're just making stuff up


Boeser's value is fine. But TK's worth more... argue it all you want, you're straight up making yourself look like a homer. There's a reason that TK is looking like an elite player, Boeser just doesn't.
24 janv. 2022 à 1 h 59
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They might look mediocre based on where they ultimately finish in the standings this season, but there is no question now that the team has a direction. Too bad you can't see it, your team is on the other side of the continent. Philadelphia is less than mediocre I would say


Vancouver is mediocre. Not good enough for the playoffs, not bad enough to tank. They're mediocre.

Just because I watch a team on the east coast doesn't mean I don't pay attention to what happens out west. Vancouver are mediocre. Philly are mediocre. The only difference is that Philly play in the toughest division in hockey and the Canucks play in the joke Pacific.
24 janv. 2022 à 2 h 56
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Quoting: Caniac2000
His value would be severely diminished by his injury history, which is true.


Okay cool, just wanted to confirm

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Boeser's value is fine. But TK's worth more... argue it all you want, you're straight up making yourself look like a homer. There's a reason that TK is looking like an elite player, Boeser just doesn't.


Okay, let's agree to disagree, but are you seriously calling TK an elite player right now? I don't even think Flyers fans would agree with you, and nobody else here has called me a homer, and I'm here a lot

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Vancouver is mediocre. Not good enough for the playoffs, not bad enough to tank. They're mediocre.

Just because I watch a team on the east coast doesn't mean I don't pay attention to what happens out west. Vancouver are mediocre. Philly are mediocre. The only difference is that Philly play in the toughest division in hockey and the Canucks play in the joke Pacific.


I don't think there is any such thing as being mediocre while at the same time not being good enough to make the playoffs. I'd say mediocrity in this league should be defined as having playoff odds being around 50/50
24 janv. 2022 à 3 h 13
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Okay cool, just wanted to confirm



Okay, let's agree to disagree, but are you seriously calling TK an elite player right now? I don't even think Flyers fans would agree with you, and nobody else here has called me a homer, and I'm here a lot



I don't think there is any such thing as being mediocre while at the same time not being good enough to make the playoffs. I'd say mediocrity in this league should be defined as having playoff odds being around 50/50


I'm a Canes fan, Mediocrity is being 10-14 in the draft lottery every year. Not good enough to push for the postseason, not bad enough to win the lottery. It's something Vancouver and Philadelphia are.

TK's shown flashes of being elite. Saying that is not controversial. He's a talented play driver, is already a strong player in both ends, and is certainly better than Boeser as you claimed.
 
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