Hronek is not someone Detroit will trade unless the offer is astronomical in my opinion.

Hronek is not someone Detroit will trade unless the offer is astronomical in my opinion.

I completely agree

I will ask politely. If a pick is listed top ten protected, please explain what the team gets if the condition is made. By this post if Ottawa's pick is in the top ten, then Columbus gets no pick? This maybe not picking but no team is going to to trade a good or great player with this kind of condition, unless they get a 1st the following year

Hronek is not someone Detroit will trade unless the offer is astronomical in my opinion.

At least it's not ridiculous offer like just a second. Those are some decent pieces there but I do agree as well.

Yet, no chance Ottawa trades Shane Pinto for Hronek, nevermind adding Bernard-Docker



Shane Pinto is not just a "decent piece". Maybe you're not very familiar with other teams top prospects but Pinto is only behind Jake Sanderson in the sens pool, ahead of Ridly Greig.

Even Bernard-Docker is ranked high in general in NHL prospects lists.


Just for example, Pinto ranked 39th here and JBD ranked 66th :

https://drive4five.blog/2021/10/29/nhl-top-prospects-trevor-zegras-cole-caufield-ben-kule/

Pinto ranked 23rd here and JBD ranked 66th :

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

Fully aware who both are, but again Detroit has Seider-Hronek-Lindstrom as RD with not much after so now we take a young top 4 RHD for hopes that both of those players can develop. In the example you provided Pinto is ranked 39th versus Berggren (44th) and most of our guys wouldn’t say he’s a blue chipper but a good/decent piece. Typically you don’t get young top 4 proven RD for lesser prospects than what you mentioned unless they can force their way to a specific team (eg Fox). Hronek would be your fourth highest point total this year.

Hronek would be your fourth highest point total this year.

Shane Pinto has elite hockey sense and defensive awareness, that's why he is regarded so highly but yeah, not by everybody. Hockey's understanding varies a lot from people to people. Even from those who are supposed to be "in the know". I just reviewed Corey Pronman's Top 50 BEST U23 Players/Prospects from September 2021 and he had takes like Lundell's hockey sense being "average". I mean wtf? Josh Norris skating "average"? Seider hockey sense is "average" too lol. Zegras puck skills are 'average". lol I just can't... He also had Brady Tkachuk ranked 8th overall... over guys like Seider, Heiskanen, Zegras... IK love Brady but that was a hot take.

Look at the other list and Pinto is ranked 23rd. His college resume is very impressive and he has shown really really well last season. This season he has been injured all the way

Berggren also looks like a good top-6 forward in the making but probably not the same overall impact as a guy like Pinto.



This is not an argument to me, means absolutely nothing.

So your argument is you’d rather the prospect versus proven player and that hockey analyst opinions differ?

I realize my argument was not as well structured as I usually do. The point is that "Pinto at 39th vs Berggren at 44th (who you guys see as "just a good/decent piece") doesn't matter. Pinto has a very high floor and I wouldn't trade him for Hronek

Hopefully his injury didn't set him back but if it didn't, mark my words and revisit this in 1 or 2 years. People will have a better idea of how good Pinto is going to be.

I haven't started "projecting" hockey players yesterday. I have done that for decades and already made good money because of it (hockey cards speculation). I'm not saying I am 100% right all the time but my batting average is pretty good. I am more often wrong on guys that I say will bust/disappoint

Pinto would have to be Larkin level for it to be a win for Detroit. Considering most hockey analyst peg Pinto as a 2C projection then I get your high on your prospect. I tend to value proven young players versus prospects but I see Pinto’s appeal. NCAA production is somewhat irrelevant as you have guys like Vesey or some Hobey Baker finalists that can’t translate to the NHL. What I like about Pinto is his above average IQ, 2 way play, and face offs (much better in NCAA). If Hronek were available it would have to be for a prospect that would hurt otherwise why bother.

Uh... Larkin has much more trade value than Hronek, like not even close. Maybe that's where the problem is in this conversation, you overvalue Hronek big time.

I'm not saying this below means everything but Hronek wouldn't play anywhere near his current role on a contender. The same reason why Zaitsev is NOT a #2 D (or why Ristolainen was overrated)

https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1433911114627227649

You completely misinterpreted my Larkin statement. I said if Pinto became anything like Larkin it would be a win for Detroit. Not sure how you got Hronek >= Larkin with that statement. Additionally, I don’t use analytics solely to evaluate Hronek as the system Blashill employs doesn’t cater to analytics and look at his defensive partners. Further those can deviate year to year (using Nemeth as a recent example).

So your argument is the same. I’ll take the proven talent over a prospect that projects to a similar value role without incurring any of the risk.

I'm not sure there is much to misinterpret here... You said "Pinto would have to be Larkin level for it to be a win for Detroit"

I don't know if it's "spinable" in any way but it simply means that if Pinto becomes anything less than Larkin, it would NOT be a win for Detroit (which is also not really the reason why NHL teams make trades but that's another subject)

Anyway, I have asked around and Sens fans wouldn't consider trading Pinto or JBD for Hronek. Some would do Thomson but for Pinto, a big NO. He is only "unknown" to people who haven't followed him closely. In this era, it's easy to watch College games. The fact that you say "prospect that projects to a similar value role" means you don't know that much of said prospect.

Most would say Larkin is a 2C on a contender or a great 2C so yeah my statement holds up. If we get a great 2C then it’s a win for Detroit. If we get a good but not great 2C then it’s neutral and if we get a mid 6 center then it’s a loss. No way to spin that statement to fit your narrative.

You keep saying Pinto isn’t an “unknown” and I’ve already told you that I’ve seen him play in college & where do I say he’s unknown? I’ve stated multiple times NCAA <> NHL success but rather projectable skills which I outlined my reasons for liking Pinto so obviously I’ve watched him play. Further his production is good not great if we’re looking at Larkin (mentioned earlier) or a more recent example of Holloway. The comment about “prospect that projects to similar role” means just that it would require a prospect you value at Pinto’s level and not some 5-6 ranked guy in your pool, not hard to interpret. For another way of saying, Hronek would cost a prospect that would absolutely hurt to lose which was already stated on post 14 of this thread.

There is a risk there obviously as he hasn’t translated to the NHL yet full time to deny this is obviously flawed. Further your first claim was an appeal to authority and then the next was to discredit said authorities, seems counterproductive. You then made an appeal that you were the authority based on hockey card speculation versus individuals life work of said projection so sorry if I take your statement as a bit off especially with something that is pure speculation and blind faith with an online forum user.