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Date de création initiale: 22 janv. 2022
Publié: 22 janv. 2022
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Just feel like no one is talking enough about how bad the expansion draft was for Seattle… had to get this out here. Missing out on guys like tarensenko,bean, etc. This team in trouble for a while with a gm who could of set them up a lot better…
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22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 36
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landeskog was a Pending UFA, and he didnt want to sign anywhere else but Colorado.

but he had a chance to take tarensenko, JVR, Duchene,
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landeskog was a Pending UFA, and he didnt want to sign anywhere else but Colorado.


Yah realized immediately after I posted that he resigned. My bad
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22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 37
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landeskog was a Pending UFA, and he didnt want to sign anywhere else but Colorado.


where is landeskog mentioned in the post and what does that have to do with anything?

edit: jk seeing they edited it by the time i got to it
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where is landeskog mentioned in the post and what does that have to do with anything?


he had it listed in his description then he edited, calm down
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where is landeskog mentioned in the post and what does that have to do with anything?

edit: jk seeing they edited it by the time i got to it


Haha I messed that up. Sorry guys
22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 39
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Yah realized immediately after I posted that he resigned. My bad


was just looking at the list of big name players that they could of had, Tarasneko, JVR, Duchene, Drouin, Domi, Johansen, Could have taken a shot on a Dadonov or Gostisbehere.
It really was mind boggling
22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 40
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Voracek, Duchene… the list goes on
22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 40
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Reason #1 : Ron Francis
Reason #2 : They want a shot at Wright in 2022 and Bedard in 2023
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22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 42
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Reason #1 : Ron Francis
Reason #2 : They want a shot at Wright in 2022 and Bedard in 2023


iim starting to think Francis hired Dave Hakstol to be the scape goat of how bad this team is going to be. That was his first mistake, nothing showed that Dave Hakstol was a competent coach when he had his first stint with the flyers
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22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 44
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iim starting to think Francis hired Dave Hakstol to be the scape goat of how bad this team is going to be. That was his first mistake, nothing showed that Dave Hakstol was a competent coach when he had his first stint with the flyers


I understand Seattle trying to get a player like Wright or Bedard, but the chance they get one of them is so low it is not worth it IMO. There were better players available in this expansion draft than the Vegas one. They really should have put a competitive team
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I understand Seattle trying to get a player like Wright or Bedard, but the chance they get one of them is so low it is not worth it IMO. There were better players available in this expansion draft than the Vegas one. They really should have put a competitive team


Exactly.. looking back at it it’s actually mind boggling haha
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22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 46
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I understand Seattle trying to get a player like Wright or Bedard, but the chance they get one of them is so low it is not worth it IMO. There were better players available in this expansion draft than the Vegas one. They really should have put a competitive team


they still could have gotten wright or bedard by flipping assets of those good players. Imagine the return they would have got if they picked Tarasenko, retained 50% and sent him off to a contender. They had 1 shot to leverage getting picks and prospects and only got a couple mid round picks, Wild
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Because Francis drafted the core of the Carolina Hurricanes, who are now one of the best teams in hockey. His stock will come on draft day. He won't get immediate results, but he did enough to make the team marketable (which they are) and sell out games (which they're doing) without risking their future draft stock. They've got assets to move, and Francis knows what he's doing on the draft floor. He did a good job from an owners perspective trying to make it marketable, and he's done a somewhat good job setting it up for the future. The one thing he's probably messed up is signing both goalies long term when they are eating several shades of sh*t
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22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 48
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they still could have gotten wright or bedard by flipping assets of those good players. Imagine the return they would have got if they picked Tarasenko, retained 50% and sent him off to a contender. They had 1 shot to leverage getting picks and prospects and only got a couple mid round picks, Wild


Exactly… I remember watching the draft when and thinking.. hmm there must be some deals going on behind the scenes to take some of these players…. They didn’t get a single pick hahah. Would of make sense not to take tarensenko if the blues were like hey here’s and 2nd round pick. This still rattles me
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Because Francis drafted the core of the Carolina Hurricanes, who are now one of the best teams in hockey. His stock will come on draft day. He won't get immediate results, but he did enough to make the team marketable (which they are) and sell out games (which they're doing) without risking their future draft stock. They've got assets to move, and Francis knows what he's doing on the draft floor. He did a good job from an owners perspective trying to make it marketable, and he's done a somewhat good job setting it up for the future. The one thing he's probably messed up is signing both goalies long term when they are eating several shades of sh*t


Totally disagree here. Read the post before. He still could of taken a better team, used those to help him in the draft. You can’t defend Francis one bit on this
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22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 54
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Totally disagree here. Read the post before. He still could of taken a better team, used those to help him in the draft. You can’t defend Francis one bit on this


I disagree here big time. And I did read the post, please don't assume I didn't. because then you look foolish.

Yet you can defend him. He built a team that's awful, but most of the players have name recognition and can be traded for good returns. He's built a tanking team with valuable assets for deadline day. When TDL comes around, if he messes up the trades and starts to whiff on the draft, okay then we can talk, but Francis knows how to build promising teams. He built the Canes core, and they're in the best position of any team in hockey right now.

Seattle was never going to have the top-end talent to go anywhere, they were in no position to contend. He build a team that is very difficult to play against, made big splashes in free agency to get the team in the news, created a fan base, and is put the team in a position to build for the future. I think he's done everything you can ask of him here.
22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 57
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Yeah, he did a lot of things wrong. Not near enough center strength, too many guys with one year left on their deals, wrong coach, etc etc. And through it all, it's not really even clear he has a firm direction on where to go with it.
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22 janv. 2022 à 11 h 58
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I disagree here big time. And I did read the post, please don't assume I didn't. because then you look foolish.

Yet you can defend him. He built a team that's awful, but most of the players have name recognition and can be traded for good returns. He's built a tanking team with valuable assets for deadline day. When TDL comes around, if he messes up the trades and starts to whiff on the draft, okay then we can talk, but Francis knows how to build promising teams. He built the Canes core, and they're in the best position of any team in hockey right now.

Seattle was never going to have the top-end talent to go anywhere, they were in no position to contend. He build a team that is very difficult to play against, made big splashes in free agency to get the team in the news, created a fan base, and is put the team in a position to build for the future. I think he's done everything you can ask of him here.


So tell me why you wouldn’t take tarensenko? You take him, eat 50% of his salary and send him off to a contender and get a boat load for him… makes zero sense what he did. There are valuable players yes.. but he could of done more
22 janv. 2022 à 12 h 12
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So tell me why you wouldn’t take tarensenko? You take him, eat 50% of his salary and send him off to a contender and get a boat load for him… makes zero sense what he did. There are valuable players yes.. but he could of done more


Vince Dunn made more sense.

Senko has a 7.5 mil cap hit, for one. Secondly, a young team-controlled defenseman like Vince Dunn who can play either side and is very very good made a lot more sense. There's picks that made no sense, but this is one of the easily defendable ones...
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22 janv. 2022 à 12 h 39
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Yeah, he did a lot of things wrong. Not near enough center strength, too many guys with one year left on their deals, wrong coach, etc etc. And through it all, it's not really even clear he has a firm direction on where to go with it.


That was my issue with his roster build. No clear direction. If the plan was to be bad and cap flexibility. They still could of had that and gained so many future assets by flipping guys

They are bad. Didn’t leverage any future and then spent dumb money on players like grubauer, Larsson, Schwartz etc
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22 janv. 2022 à 12 h 42
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That was my issue with his roster build. No clear direction. If the plan was to be bad and cap flexibility. They still could of had that and gained so many future assets by flipping guys

They are bad. Didn’t leverage any future and then spent dumb money on players like grubauer, Larsson, Schwartz etc


Don't forget Giordano. Supposedly he was there "for veteran leadership" - leadership to what? You're not trying to contend, half the team won't be here next season and there's only 2-3 good young players to mentor anyway. It's all over the place.
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22 janv. 2022 à 12 h 47
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Don't forget Giordano. Supposedly he was there "for veteran leadership" - leadership to what? You're not trying to contend, half the team won't be here next season and there's only 2-3 good young players to mentor anyway. It's all over the place.


Good point. It’s like they tried to be all 3, be young, get guys that are competitive and guys who make sense analytically with good under lying numbers.


Really they failed at all 3
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22 janv. 2022 à 14 h 35
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landeskog was a Pending UFA, and he didnt want to sign anywhere else but Colorado.

but he had a chance to take tarensenko, JVR, Duchene,


Quoting: coga16
was just looking at the list of big name players that they could of had, Tarasneko, JVR, Duchene, Drouin, Domi, Johansen, Could have taken a shot on a Dadonov or Gostisbehere.
It really was mind boggling


Yeah he could have taken chances on some of those big name players. But there was a reason he did not take that chance. Tarasenko was coming off his 3rd shoulder surgery, so the Kraken weren’t guaranteed to get the Tarasenko from before his injury. Those other big name players that were mentioned, they were all really inconsistent in scoring. You could take the chance at having those big ticket players, but if they don’t produce, the Kraken would be screwed cap wise. As it stands, they will probably factor into this years deadline with retention being needed for some contenders.

Francis also made it clear if you wanted to influence the Kraken’s decision on what player would be chosen, it would cost at the very least a first rounder. With how Vegas turned out because of terrible decisions by other GMs at their expansion draft, GMs wised up and would not play ball with Kraken. Now look at Vegas now. They are a contender, but they have no high quality prospects truly remaining, and they are screwed cap wise. Francis chose to make as big of an anti-Vegas approach to the Kraken. Vegas wanted to win right away, and that won’t be how Seattle will go about it. Francis will develop the team via the draft for the next couple of years, and when the Kraken are about ready for a playoff push, he will look to make the Kraken a dynasty team that constantly makes the playoffs. Kind of like what the Pens did starting in 2007. The Pens havent missed the playoffs since 2006, and that is what the Kraken aims to do.

A lot of the Krakens lack of success this year has come from players trying to learn to play a new style. Grubauer is probably the biggest example of this. He has to learn how to play without offensive firepower to back him up. I also would compare Grubauer this year to Markstrom’s first year in Calgary. They were just plain bad, and now look at how Markstrom is performing. It’s all about the adjustment period, and no matter how you look at it, Seattle was never going to have the same success Vegas had it’s first year. A bunch of that original Vegas roster was gifted to them, and probably the biggest one was Theodore.
 
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