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All these Severson offers from least worst to most worst

Créé par: NHLfan10506
Date de création initiale: 20 janv. 2022
Publié: 20 janv. 2022
Équipe: 2021-22 Devils du New Jersey
Explications
None of these work...but I admire the persistence.
Transactions
1.
NJD
    Severson, Damon ($2,000,000 retained)
    Johnsson, Andreas ($1,700,000 retained)

    Team #3004525
    TOR
      Robertson, Nicholas
      Liljegren, Timothy
      Holl, Justin
      2022 1st round pick (TOR)
      2023 2nd round pick (TOR)
      2.
      NJD
        Severson, Damon ($1,500,000 retained)

        Team #3000823
        TOR
          Holl, Justin
          Robertson, Nicholas
          2022 1st round pick (TOR)
          2023 2nd round pick (TOR)
          2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
          3.
          NJD
            Severson, Damon ($2,000,000 retained)

            Team #3004556
            TOR
              Holl, Justin
              Engvall, Pierre
              Robertson, Nicholas
              2022 1st round pick (TOR)
              2024 3rd round pick (TOR)
              4.
              NJD
                Severson, Damon ($2,075,000 retained)

                Team #2964852
                TOR
                  Liljegren, Timothy [RFA Rights]
                  2022 1st round pick (TOR)
                  5.
                  NJD
                    Severson, Damon ($2,080,000 retained)

                    Team #2998407
                    TOR
                      Niemelä, Topi
                      Holl, Justin
                      2023 4th round pick (TOR)
                      6.
                      NJD
                        Severson, Damon ($1,000,000 retained)

                        Team #2966182
                        TOR
                          Holl, Justin
                          Amirov, Rodion
                          2023 1st round pick (TOR)
                          7.
                          NJD
                            Severson, Damon ($2,000,000 retained)

                            Team #3004350
                            TOR
                              Holl, Justin
                              Amirov, Rodion
                              2023 1st round pick (TOR)
                              8.
                              NJD
                                Severson, Damon

                                Team #2994846
                                TOR
                                  Holl, Justin
                                  Abruzzese, Nick [Reserve List]
                                  2022 1st round pick (TOR)
                                  9.
                                  NJD
                                    Severson, Damon

                                    Team #2954993
                                    TOR
                                      Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon
                                      Abramov, Mikhail
                                      2022 1st round pick (TOR)
                                      2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
                                      10.
                                      NJD
                                        Severson, Damon
                                        2022 4th round pick (EDM)

                                        Team #3007189
                                        TOR
                                          Dermott, Travis
                                          Amirov, Rodion
                                          2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
                                          2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
                                          11.
                                          NJD
                                            Severson, Damon ($2,083,333 retained)

                                            Team #2997918
                                            TOR
                                              Holl, Justin
                                              Rindell, Axel [Reserve List]
                                              2022 1st round pick (TOR)
                                              2023 4th round pick (TOR)
                                              12.
                                              NJD
                                                Severson, Damon ($2,083,333 retained)

                                                Team #3003945
                                                TOR
                                                  Duszak, Joseph
                                                  Hirvonen, Roni
                                                  2022 1st round pick (TOR)
                                                  2024 4th round pick (TOR)
                                                  13.
                                                  NJD
                                                    Severson, Damon ($1,357,222 retained)

                                                    Team #2991386
                                                    TOR
                                                      Holl, Justin
                                                      Abramov, Mikhail
                                                      2022 1st round pick (TOR)
                                                      14.
                                                      NJD
                                                        Severson, Damon

                                                        Team #2952050
                                                        TOR
                                                          Holl, Justin
                                                          Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon
                                                          2023 1st round pick (TOR)
                                                          15.
                                                          NJD
                                                            Severson, Damon

                                                            Team #2965723
                                                            TOR
                                                              Abramov, Mikhail
                                                              Hollowell, Mac
                                                              2022 1st round pick (TOR)
                                                              16.
                                                              NJD
                                                                Severson, Damon

                                                                Team #3007226
                                                                TOR
                                                                  Holl, Justin
                                                                  Ritchie, Nick
                                                                  Abramov, Mikhail
                                                                  2022 1st round pick (TOR)
                                                                  17.
                                                                  NJD
                                                                    Severson, Damon ($2,000,000 retained)

                                                                    Team #2906771
                                                                    TOR
                                                                      Holl, Justin
                                                                      Engvall, Pierre
                                                                      2023 1st round pick (TOR)
                                                                      18.
                                                                      NJD
                                                                        Severson, Damon ($2,083,333 retained)
                                                                        Greer, AJ

                                                                        Team #2974289
                                                                        TOR
                                                                          Amirov, Rodion
                                                                          Ritchie, Nick
                                                                          2023 2nd round pick (TOR)
                                                                          19.
                                                                          NJD
                                                                            Severson, Damon ($2,083,333 retained)

                                                                            Team #2954179
                                                                            TOR
                                                                              Holl, Justin
                                                                              Kokkonen, Mikko
                                                                              2022 1st round pick (TOR)
                                                                              2023 4th round pick (TOR)
                                                                              20.
                                                                              NJD
                                                                                Severson, Damon ($2,000,000 retained)

                                                                                Team #2915725
                                                                                TOR
                                                                                  2023 1st round pick (TOR)
                                                                                  2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
                                                                                  2024 4th round pick (TOR)
                                                                                  21.
                                                                                  NJD
                                                                                    Severson, Damon ($1,166,666 retained)

                                                                                    Team #2996473
                                                                                    TOR
                                                                                      Dermott, Travis
                                                                                      2023 1st round pick (TOR)
                                                                                      22.
                                                                                      NJD
                                                                                        Severson, Damon ($2,000,000 retained)
                                                                                        Thompson, Tyce

                                                                                        Team #2949609
                                                                                        TOR
                                                                                          Robertson, Nicholas
                                                                                          2022 1st round pick (TOR)
                                                                                          23.
                                                                                          NJD
                                                                                            Severson, Damon

                                                                                            Team #2951962
                                                                                            TOR
                                                                                              Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon
                                                                                              Dermott, Travis
                                                                                              2023 2nd round pick (TOR)
                                                                                              24.
                                                                                              NJD
                                                                                                Severson, Damon

                                                                                                Team #3006527
                                                                                                TOR
                                                                                                  Ritchie, Nick
                                                                                                  Holl, Justin
                                                                                                  2022 1st round pick (TOR)
                                                                                                  25.
                                                                                                  NJD
                                                                                                    Severson, Damon ($2,000,000 retained)
                                                                                                    2022 7th round pick (NJD)

                                                                                                    Team #3004165
                                                                                                    TOR
                                                                                                      Holl, Justin
                                                                                                      Abramov, Mikhail
                                                                                                      Kokkonen, Mikko
                                                                                                      2023 2nd round pick (TOR)
                                                                                                      26.
                                                                                                      NJD
                                                                                                        Severson, Damon

                                                                                                        Team #2995909
                                                                                                        TOR
                                                                                                          Kerfoot, Alexander
                                                                                                          Dermott, Travis
                                                                                                          2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
                                                                                                          27.
                                                                                                          NJD
                                                                                                            Severson, Damon ($2,000,000 retained)
                                                                                                            2022 7th round pick (NJD)

                                                                                                            Team #2999229
                                                                                                            TOR
                                                                                                              Holl, Justin
                                                                                                              Abramov, Mikhail
                                                                                                              2023 2nd round pick (TOR)
                                                                                                              28.
                                                                                                              NJD
                                                                                                                Severson, Damon ($2,000,000 retained)
                                                                                                                2022 4th round pick (NJD)

                                                                                                                Team #2985860
                                                                                                                TOR
                                                                                                                  Holl, Justin
                                                                                                                  2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
                                                                                                                  2023 2nd round pick (TOR)
                                                                                                                  29.
                                                                                                                  NJD
                                                                                                                    Severson, Damon

                                                                                                                    Team #2952033
                                                                                                                    TOR
                                                                                                                      Holl, Justin
                                                                                                                      30.
                                                                                                                      NJD
                                                                                                                        Severson, Damon ($2,083,333 retained)

                                                                                                                        Team #3004761
                                                                                                                        TOR
                                                                                                                          Ritchie, Nick
                                                                                                                          Dermott, Travis
                                                                                                                          Steeves, Alex
                                                                                                                          2023 4th round pick (TOR)
                                                                                                                          31.
                                                                                                                          NJD
                                                                                                                          1. Knies, Matthew [Liste de réserve]
                                                                                                                          2. Niemelä, Topi [Liste de réserve]
                                                                                                                          3. 2022 1e round pick (TOR)
                                                                                                                          Détails additionnels:
                                                                                                                          Until someone shows me something better, I will stick with this as the price.
                                                                                                                          TOR
                                                                                                                          1. Severson, Damon
                                                                                                                          Rachats de contrats
                                                                                                                          • Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $
                                                                                                                          Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
                                                                                                                          • Will Butcher: 910 569 $ (24%)
                                                                                                                          Frais appliqués
                                                                                                                          • Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $
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                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 13 h 22
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: Saskleaf
                                                                                                                          I can definitely see how your patience would wear thin lol. If there was 5 million Brodie for Subban and a second trades I would lose my mind.


                                                                                                                          There are actually a lot of Subban trades too. They kind of end up all over the place, but generally okay on value. For Dermott, with pick for Marner, for Liljegren, for Ritchie and Robertson, for Dermont and Liljegren, for Voit, for a 1st

                                                                                                                          Haven't seen any Brodie for Subban offers, but consider them accepted.
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                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 13 h 27
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: Alfie11
                                                                                                                          Yeah, and the people saying that were also dumb. Coleman was obviously more than expected, but Palmieri went for pretty much exactly what everyone expected. Severson isn't gonna be dealt for Ritchie+Engvall+Holl+2nd or anything, but asking for 1st+Niemela+Knies is equally outlandish.


                                                                                                                          So if after the 53rd Holl, Ritchie or Dermott offer, I responded with, "Amirov, Villenueve, and a 1st" do you really think that would then be the standard?

                                                                                                                          Post an ACGM with what you think is fair and you will see what I am talking about.
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 13 h 29
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: OneTMLForMePls
                                                                                                                          okok chill... Ritchie, Holl a seventh and double retention on Severson????????????????????


                                                                                                                          Other people can see this, right?
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 13 h 30
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: NHLfan10506
                                                                                                                          Other people can see this, right?


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                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 13 h 36
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: F50marco
                                                                                                                          Some of those comps are either too old or don't apply. I think the Montour one is somewhat valid.


                                                                                                                          I think Muzzin is most applicable here.

                                                                                                                          But RHD also return more in trade market (see, Jones, Risto, Savard) if they aren't returning a RD.
                                                                                                                          So Ryan Ellis didn't go for inflated price since he brought back Myers. Trouba didn't go for inflated price since Pionk was returned.

                                                                                                                          So question for me is does returning Holl limit the upside of that RHD-premium. I don't know the answer to that.
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 13 h 58
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: NHLfan10506
                                                                                                                          I would not do those as Devils fan either. I have seen enough of Amirov (when he plays) since he is on same team as Mukhamadullin and have yet to see the player we saw at that u18 tournament a few years ago. I route for Nick Robertson as a player, but is too goal-dependent to be a regular if the offense is slow to come. The best route for the Devils is to re-sign Severson to an extension next summer (I am guessing $6-7m x 6).


                                                                                                                          That would be an outrageous contract for Severson. If the Devils are even entertaining that right now they would be better off trading him now, even for a lighter package, and saving themselves.
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 14 h 19
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: TooMalevolent
                                                                                                                          That would be an outrageous contract for Severson. If the Devils are even entertaining that right now they would be better off trading him now, even for a lighter package, and saving themselves.


                                                                                                                          Not saying it will age perfectly, but I think that is about what he will get. I'd love it if he signed for 4 years.
                                                                                                                          And if he asks for more, the likelihood of a trade likely increases.
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 14 h 24
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: F50marco
                                                                                                                          I think we disagree on that % then. You calling him a mystery box after 1 season in which he hasn't been lighting it up is a little premature IMHO. Hockey players at that age don't go from 90% to 10% over night.


                                                                                                                          I did not say 10% or 90%.
                                                                                                                          It is his D+2 season and he has played about 10 min/game in only 10 games while healthy.
                                                                                                                          I think there some concern is warranted.
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 14 h 39
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: NHLfan10506
                                                                                                                          I did not say 10% or 90%.
                                                                                                                          It is his D+2 season and he has played about 10 min/game in only 10 games while healthy.
                                                                                                                          I think there some concern is warranted.

                                                                                                                          It’s the KHL lol no young player gets ice time there. There were games last year where Podkolzin (a higher end prospect than Amirov by a decent margin) got literally 0 minutes of ice time in some games.
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 14 h 59
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: Alfie11
                                                                                                                          It’s the KHL lol no young player gets ice time there. There were games last year where Podkolzin (a higher end prospect than Amirov by a decent margin) got literally 0 minutes of ice time in some games.


                                                                                                                          Podkolzin played regularly on their 3rd line. It’s not the same. And it’s not like Ufa sits their young players. Mukhamadulkin gets regular duty in their blueline.
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 15 h 21
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                                                                                                                          you are absolutely obsessed lol
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 15 h 27
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: vr1995
                                                                                                                          you are absolutely obsessed lol


                                                                                                                          Leaf fans can insult me all they want.
                                                                                                                          I'd be angry too.
                                                                                                                          Truth hurts.
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 15 h 27
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                                                                                                                          Leaf fans can insult me all they want.
                                                                                                                          I'd be angry too.
                                                                                                                          Truth hurts.


                                                                                                                          not meant to be an insult but get over it
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 15 h 28
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: NHLfan10506
                                                                                                                          I think Muzzin is most applicable here.

                                                                                                                          But RHD also return more in trade market (see, Jones, Risto, Savard) if they aren't returning a RD.
                                                                                                                          So Ryan Ellis didn't go for inflated price since he brought back Myers. Trouba didn't go for inflated price since Pionk was returned.

                                                                                                                          So question for me is does returning Holl limit the upside of that RHD-premium. I don't know the answer to that.


                                                                                                                          Muzzin when traded, was coming off multiple 40+ points seasons, a Stanley cup win and played a hard physical game.

                                                                                                                          I mean I like Severson but I don't think he is quite what Muzzin was at the time. Frankly not even close.

                                                                                                                          Quoting: NHLfan10506
                                                                                                                          I did not say 10% or 90%.
                                                                                                                          It is his D+2 season and he has played about 10 min/game in only 10 games while healthy.
                                                                                                                          I think there some concern is warranted.


                                                                                                                          The 10-90% was just an analogy for your explanation about risk . I didn't mean it literally.

                                                                                                                          "Too much uncertainty. It other words, there is a risk premium attached to his potential value, which limits his price. All risk calculations are based on two factors: cost and probability. A $10 payoff with 100% certainty is worth $10. A $10 payoff with 80% certainty is worth $8. And so on."

                                                                                                                          Either way, we're debating a prospect value which is in the eye of the beholder at the end of the day. If your comparison of Severson is in the Muzzin range, you can think that but I certainly don't. He simply hasn't done enough to prove it IMO. The RHD premium is exaggerated. Its a factor for sure but not nearly as big as you make it out to be. Maybe there was once a time where there were significantly more good LHD then RHD but I'm not so sure its that apparent anymore.
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                                                                                                                          Dear Leafs fans,

                                                                                                                          We don't want Holl.

                                                                                                                          Regards,
                                                                                                                          All Devils fans.
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 16 h 6
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                                                                                                                          Show me where I said anything about Severson and the Norris trophy


                                                                                                                          I mean look at the trade LMAO. Idk who u guys think Severson is, but hes not even close to that package.
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: F50marco
                                                                                                                          Muzzin when traded, was coming off multiple 40+ points seasons, a Stanley cup win and played a hard physical game.

                                                                                                                          I mean I like Severson but I don't think he is quite what Muzzin was at the time. Frankly not even close.


                                                                                                                          Severson is, what, 2-3 years younger to Muzzin at the time...199 points at age 27 vs 213 points at age 30. And Muzzin played on much better teams.

                                                                                                                          But Muzzin won a cup, so he is better?
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 16 h 52
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: Oodz
                                                                                                                          I mean look at the trade LMAO. Idk who u guys think Severson is, but hes not even close to that package.


                                                                                                                          OK, Oodz, remind us all about how Holl > Severson
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 16 h 52
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: NHLfan10506
                                                                                                                          There are actually a lot of Subban trades too. They kind of end up all over the place, but generally okay on value. For Dermott, with pick for Marner, for Liljegren, for Ritchie and Robertson, for Dermont and Liljegren, for Voit, for a 1st

                                                                                                                          Haven't seen any Brodie for Subban offers, but consider them accepted.


                                                                                                                          I was trying to compare Brodie to Severson, and then have a terrible Brodie trade. Just saying that if there was a bunch of Brodie trades I’d probably get annoyed.
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 16 h 55
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: NHLfan10506
                                                                                                                          Severson is, what, 2-3 years younger to Muzzin at the time...199 points at age 27 vs 213 points at age 30. And Muzzin played on much better teams.

                                                                                                                          But Muzzin won a cup, so he is better?


                                                                                                                          Who would you rather have based on the facts? Peak Muzzin or peak Severson?

                                                                                                                          Either way you are entitled to your opinion. I simply do not share it. Nothing wrong with that. wink
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: F50marco
                                                                                                                          Muzzin when traded, was coming off multiple 40+ points seasons, a Stanley cup win and played a hard physical game.

                                                                                                                          I mean I like Severson but I don't think he is quite what Muzzin was at the time. Frankly not even close.



                                                                                                                          The 10-90% was just an analogy for your explanation about risk . I didn't mean it literally.

                                                                                                                          "Too much uncertainty. It other words, there is a risk premium attached to his potential value, which limits his price. All risk calculations are based on two factors: cost and probability. A $10 payoff with 100% certainty is worth $10. A $10 payoff with 80% certainty is worth $8. And so on."

                                                                                                                          Either way, we're debating a prospect value which is in the eye of the beholder at the end of the day. If your comparison of Severson is in the Muzzin range, you can think that but I certainly don't. He simply hasn't done enough to prove it IMO. The RHD premium is exaggerated. Its a factor for sure but not nearly as big as you make it out to be. Maybe there was once a time where there were significantly more good LHD then RHD but I'm not so sure its that apparent anymore.


                                                                                                                          Quoting: NHLfan10506
                                                                                                                          Severson is, what, 2-3 years younger to Muzzin at the time...199 points at age 27 vs 213 points at age 30. And Muzzin played on much better teams.

                                                                                                                          But Muzzin won a cup, so he is better?


                                                                                                                          I’m with f50marco here, Muzzin is the guy that probably has more value. NHL fan mentions points, but Muzzin is a shutdown d, while Severson is somewhere in the middle. It would make sense that Severson would have more points.
                                                                                                                          20 janv. à 17 h 26
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                                                                                                                          Quoting: F50marco
                                                                                                                          Who would you rather have based on the facts? Peak Muzzin or peak Severson?

                                                                                                                          Either way you are entitled to your opinion. I simply do not share it. Nothing wrong with that. wink


                                                                                                                          Good question. Depends I guess what I am looking for. Muzzin is LHD, better around his own net, more physical, blocks shooting lanes better. Severson is RHD, better at moving puck and closing gaps.

                                                                                                                          Can make a case for both.
                                                                                                                          21 janv. à 0 h 20
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                                                                                                                          OK, Oodz, remind us all about how Holl > Severson


                                                                                                                          When did I ever say that?
                                                                                                                           
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