Add konencey and leafs say yes

playing lots of minutes is a terrible way to judge a players value. Braun is getting mauled in those 19+ mins a game.

Not true, hes a 0 +/- and playing steadily on a losing team, not that that is the only stat. Hes playing his best as he has for the last few years. But maybe youre seeing something completely different

Living up to the Maple Leaf fan mentality/stereotype, thanks for the useless comment

Plus minus means even less than icetime. He's getting worked in pretty much every defensive metric. If this is his best in years play thats not very good

Can you do leason a first and second

Mauled compared to the others on the team, far from it, in all statistical categories he's having his best year since 2016. But the metrics are based on a poor team, hes playing far better than any other Leaf RD option, bar Brodie.

If you think the price is too much thats fine, if you think the Leafs couldn;t use him thats fine, but far from defensively "mauled" in his 19:59 mins a night compared to every other Flyer defender.

being on a bad team and being a bit better than them does not mean you are good, it just means you are less bad, and with risto on the team getting major ice time it would be very hard not to be better.
and i never said the leafs couldnt use him, just that hes not an upgrade on anything in their top 4 and he's not worth a 2nd

No cap dumps, that probably works. Leason is more of a stay at home and ready sooner. If kempny and/or Hagelin get added then its got to include another 2nd and/or Iorio instead.

Yes. I don’t know what to do with hags. Or kemp. We need to keep iorio for the right deal

CAPS SAY NO DEAL

Fair enough, I still think Holl will get himself straightened out, I was looking at a steady stay at home 3rd pairing with Sandin/depth/PK. Gives them very good defensive depth (with Dermott as 7th) going into playoffs

The 2nd rounder will be very low and Braun at just 900k, is probably the cheapest and best option for the defense going into the playoffs. Obviously a better 2nd pair option may be available but probably for a bigger price and cap hit.

Ottawa will accept the trade if JVR wants an extension with us.

Across the board his analytics are negative. Negative Corsi, Fenwick, shot %, scoring chances for%, goals for %, and high danger chances for % all close to 40%. That is not good, in fact it's almost as bad as Chiarot who is horrendous.

That is utterly false. Every Leaf RD option apart from Biega is miles better in every defensive metric. Holl who really struggled to start the season is positive across the board and far better than Braun. This statement is entirely reading what stupid fans say and taking it as the truth.

Braun would be a good add for the 7/8th defenceman. Hopefully he doesn't play but injuries happen and he is definitely better than Biega who I hope never sees the ice with TO again.

He's not a UFA, he has 21-22 and 22-23 under contract

The title says "after the 2021 deadline", which was last April.

But the post is for 2022-2023.


You've lost me.

Again, the metrics show that Braun is the best defenseman on a bad team. |A great defenseman would rarely, if ever, look good on a bad team in metrics. Is Braun a great defenseman? No, but is he a good 3rd pair veteran RD playing at the best of his abilities, yes. Is Braun having his best year since 2016, yes. I'm not saying Braun is a good top 4 guy, but hes playing well in 19:59 on a bad team. Again the metrics will show that there are 6 better dmen on the Leafs, because the Leaf team is good.

Hes a better defender and PK option than Dermott, and a better stay at home partner for Sandin. But thats my opinion. In my opinion hes a cheap and key add to the defense, something that cant be ignored this deadline, and other options are far more in cost and cap hit, limiting other deadline moves.

Is a bottom round 2nd alot? Maybe, but its not a great draft and alot of contenders would gladly solidify their defense for the price and cap hit.

Hell if I'm a Leaf fan I would rather make a move for a top 4 really good dman like Klingberg, or a defenseman who can produce offense, as most of the Leafs defense, other than Reilly isn;t. But again the price and cap hit would be far greater.

True, although it would be this coming april, so it could be at deadline or following season, before the draft. but that re-signing negotiation would likely be after the trade, I dont think JVR commands special allowance, like a star player. Its a low 3rd (the lowest of all 3 Sens 3rd rounders) in what some say is a weak draft, with a bit more added, but I think hes fits a need on the Sens (producing, veteran, big body, PP, etc...) and still has game, with no injury history. I don;t think its a big enough price in trade for philly to arrange a re-sign.

Looking at naturalstatrick Braun is showing better than just Sealer. Braun is not the best on a bad team, he's the 2nd worst on a bad team.