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Créé par: Kellen
Date de création initiale: 19 janv. 2022
Publié: 19 janv. 2022
Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Chiarot, Ben (1 750 000 $ retained)
MTL
  1. Mrázek, Petr
  2. Holl, Justin
  3. Robertson, Nicholas
  4. 2022 1e round pick (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Braun, Justin
PHI
  1. Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon
  2. Anderson, Joey
  3. 2023 2e round pick (TOR)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $79 169 783 $0 $0 $2 330 217 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Bunting, Michael
950 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 3
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Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 4
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Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
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Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
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Mikheyev, Ilya
1 645 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Kämpf, David
1 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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Kase, Ondrej
1 250 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
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Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
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Spezza, Jason
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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Simmonds, Wayne
900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
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Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 3
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Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
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Chiarot, Ben
0 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 1
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Allen, Jake
2 875 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Braun, Justin
1 800 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Dermott, Travis
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Équipe de réserve
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Ritchie, Nick
2 500 000 $ (1 375 000 $)
AG
UFA - 2
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Clifford, Kyle
1 000 000 $ (0 $)
AG
UFA - 1
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Hutchinson, Michael
725 000 $ (0 $)
G
UFA - 1
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Biega, Alex
750 000 $ (0 $)
DD
UFA - 1
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Liljegren, Timothy
863 333 $ (0 $)
DD
RFA - 1

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19 janv. à 12 h 6
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I think you mean working FOR rivals. That's brutal for the leafs
19 janv. à 12 h 7
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I think you overpay for Braun, but to take back Mrazek I think that's fair with Montreal.
19 janv. à 12 h 19
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I think you overpay for Braun, but to take back Mrazek I think that's fair with Montreal.


Mrazek is at the very least equal to Allen, likely better. Chiarot sucks. So we are paying a 1st and Robertson to downgrade. Really smart plan.
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19 janv. à 12 h 19
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Quoting: Marshallchapman9
I think you overpay for Braun, but to take back Mrazek I think that's fair with Montreal.


How is that trade fair with Montreal? Leafs don't need Chiarot (and whats he worth a 2nd round pick?). Only benefit of the trade is moving Mrazek's contract for a better and cheaper goalie in Allen. You don't give up a top prospect and 1st round pick for a backup goalie upgrade.
19 janv. à 12 h 22
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How is that trade fair with Montreal? Leafs don't need Chiarot (and whats he worth a 2nd round pick?). Only benefit of the trade is moving Mrazek's contract for a better and cheaper goalie in Allen. You don't give up a top prospect and 1st round pick for a backup goalie upgrade.


Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Mrazek is at the very least equal to Allen, likely better. Chiarot sucks. So we are paying a 1st and Robertson to downgrade. Really smart plan.


not my ACGM boys :/
19 janv. à 12 h 23
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not my ACGM boys :/


No, but you said it's a fair trade lol
19 janv. à 12 h 26
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
How is that trade fair with Montreal? Leafs don't need Chiarot (and whats he worth a 2nd round pick?). Only benefit of the trade is moving Mrazek's contract for a better and cheaper goalie in Allen. You don't give up a top prospect and 1st round pick for a backup goalie upgrade.


Montreal doesn't need or want Holl or Mrazek, and Robertson probably isn't the type of prospect they'd want. Considering the markets from Allen and Chiarot, they can probably do better too.
19 janv. à 12 h 27
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Montreal doesn't need or want Holl or Mrazek, and Robertson probably isn't the type of prospect they'd want. Considering the markets from Allen and Chiarot, they can probably do better too.


I dont think Allen and Chiarot get a 1st even if you don't like any of the other pieces. Either way the trade makes no sense for the Leafs.
19 janv. à 12 h 31
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Quoting: Burnout
Montreal doesn't need or want Holl or Mrazek, and Robertson probably isn't the type of prospect they'd want. Considering the markets from Allen and Chiarot, they can probably do better too.


You think Allen and Chiarot bring in more than Robertson type prospect and 2022 1st round pick. Allen has term remaining for next season and most contenders are not looking to tack on cap past this season.
With Halak, Holtby both being comparable tenders with expiring contracts they will be moved first. And thats not including MAF
19 janv. à 12 h 31
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
How is that trade fair with Montreal? Leafs don't need Chiarot (and whats he worth a 2nd round pick?). Only benefit of the trade is moving Mrazek's contract for a better and cheaper goalie in Allen. You don't give up a top prospect and 1st round pick for a backup goalie upgrade.


How is Allen better? At best he's the same.
19 janv. à 12 h 32
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I dont think Allen and Chiarot get a 1st even if you don't like any of the other pieces. Either way the trade makes no sense for the Leafs.


It was reported a month ago that Chiarot alone could possibly get a 1st. Allen for a couple of cup runs should get at least a 2nd considering he was worth a 3rd when he was overpaid. And considering where the Habs are, Holl and Mrazek have less than zero value to them.

Its fine if the deal doesn't work for the Leafs, since it probably doesn't work for the Habs either.
19 janv. à 12 h 32
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Quoting: Burnout
Montreal doesn't need or want Holl or Mrazek, and Robertson probably isn't the type of prospect they'd want. Considering the markets from Allen and Chiarot, they can probably do better too.


This is optimistic no doubt
19 janv. à 12 h 32
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It was reported a month ago that Chiarot alone could possibly get a 1st. Allen for a couple of cup runs should get at least a 2nd considering he was worth a 3rd when he was overpaid. And considering where the Habs are, Holl and Mrazek have less than zero value to them.

Its fine if the deal doesn't work for the Leafs, since it probably doesn't work for the Habs either.


The report was ridiculous
19 janv. à 12 h 35
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The report was ridiculous


It was reported by media members that get Thier pay checks from the same company as Leaf players so let's hope it's actually an under sell - sincerely Habs fans
19 janv. à 12 h 36
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You think Allen and Chiarot bring in more than Robertson type prospect and 2022 1st round pick. Allen has term remaining for next season and most contenders are not looking to tack on cap past this season.
With Halak, Holtby both being comparable tenders with expiring contracts they will be moved first. And thats not including MAF


Montreal is probably fine with a Robertson-type prospect, but probably doesn't want an undersized winger prospect. I doubt the Habs want to trade Allen this deadline anyways. Halak has a NMC and doesn't want to move, Holtby will have a massive market.
19 janv. à 12 h 37
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The report was ridiculous


It was from like 6 different insiders. You can disagree, but they aren't making it up. GMs overpay for guys like Chiarot all the time.
19 janv. à 12 h 41
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It was reported a month ago that Chiarot alone could possibly get a 1st. Allen for a couple of cup runs should get at least a 2nd considering he was worth a 3rd when he was overpaid. And considering where the Habs are, Holl and Mrazek have less than zero value to them.

Its fine if the deal doesn't work for the Leafs, since it probably doesn't work for the Habs either.


it was never reported that chariot would get that. a couple guys said that it was their opinion that he could get a 1st, that doesnt mean squat with how these always play out
19 janv. à 12 h 42
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It was from like 6 different insiders. You can disagree, but they aren't making it up. GMs overpay for guys like Chiarot all the time.


lol, they were literally making it up
19 janv. à 12 h 43
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It was reported by media members that get Thier pay checks from the same company as Leaf players so let's hope it's actually an under sell - sincerely Habs fans


Chiarot sucks anyone who pays more than a 3rd is going to regret it
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19 janv. à 12 h 46
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It was from like 6 different insiders. You can disagree, but they aren't making it up. GMs overpay for guys like Chiarot all the time.


More like a bazzilion different insiders
19 janv. à 12 h 49
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Chiarot sucks anyone who pays more than a 3rd is going to regret it


Could say that about a bunch of players that teams pay a first for, like Foligno for the Leafs last year, Rick Nash for Boston before that. Happens every year, complaining about it on a website is about all the power you have over it, enjoy
19 janv. à 12 h 56
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Could say that about a bunch of players that teams pay a first for, like Foligno for the Leafs last year, Rick Nash for Boston before that. Happens every year, complaining about it on a website is about all the power you have over it, enjoy


Foligno played great until he was hurt and then couldn't play. Very unlucky.

Montreal is in such a bad situation, so much dead cap on the team and bad contracts all over the place. Bergevin did so bad for the team. Price masked so many problems. Now you have Weber, Petry, Price, Gallagher, Anderson just to name a few. All bad long term investments.
19 janv. à 13 h 7
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Could say that about a bunch of players that teams pay a first for, like Foligno for the Leafs last year, Rick Nash for Boston before that. Happens every year, complaining about it on a website is about all the power you have over it, enjoy


yeah, but its ben chiarot
19 janv. à 13 h 13
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Foligno played great until he was hurt and then couldn't play. Very unlucky.

Montreal is in such a bad situation, so much dead cap on the team and bad contracts all over the place. Bergevin did so bad for the team. Price masked so many problems. Now you have Weber, Petry, Price, Gallagher, Anderson just to name a few. All bad long term investments.


They all got market value in money, length is the only questionable part and even then there will be GMs who take them on knowing that a buyout is likely.

Also funny to hear a Leaf fan say Bergevin did a bad job after winning division titles, multiple playoff rounds and making the cup final. With as you said, basically only Price. Guess we will see how Dubas is looked at after his tenure as Leafs GM is over, which might be sooner then later if they don't make it out of the first round this year.
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They all got market value in money, length is the only questionable part and even then there will be GMs who take them on knowing that a buyout is likely.

Also funny to hear a Leaf fan say Bergevin did a bad job after winning division titles, multiple playoff rounds and making the cup final. With as you said, basically only Price. Guess we will see how Dubas is looked at after his tenure as Leafs GM is over, which might be sooner then later if they don't make it out of the first round this year.


Since Bergevin took over, the Habs are in the top tier among NHL teams in playoffs games played. The meh contracts they have right now is the aftermath of being competitive, kinda like the Sharks or even the Rangers (It's not obvious at first sight because they bought them out or dumped them). But I'll never understand for the life of me how fans of one of the least successful NHL franchises in the salary cap era can discredit Bergevin and the Canadiens like that from their "high-ground".
 
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