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Blockbuster SJ TOR Trade

Créé par: CheechYou
Équipe: 2022-23 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 18 janv. 2022
Publié: 18 janv. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
22 500 000 $
33 000 000 $
1900 000 $
1900 000 $
1800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
78 000 000 $
12 500 000 $
11 125 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Balcers, Rūdolfs
  2. Labanc, Kevin
  3. Melnichuk, Alexei [Droits de RFA]
  4. Wiesblatt, Ozzy
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (SJS)
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (SJS)
2.
SJS
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (BUF)
3.
SJS
  1. Hakanpää, Jani
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (DAL)
DAL
  1. Burns, Brent (3 200 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2022
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Logo de DAL
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Logo de BUF
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Logo de SJS
Logo de ARI
Logo de MIN
2023
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
2024
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Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de BUF
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
Logo de SJS
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $76 388 000 $0 $465 000 $6 112 000 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
894 167 $894 167 $
AG
RFA - 4
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
C
UFA - 8
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
850 000 $850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
1 025 000 $1 025 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
797 500 $797 500 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
C
RFA - 3
1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
900 000 $900 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance300 000 $$300K)
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 175 000 $2 175 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
850 833 $850 833 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Stars de Dallas
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
800 000 $800 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
900 000 $900 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
750 000 $750 000 $
AG
UFA - 1

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18 janv. 2022 à 21 h 46
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This is a lot of quantity but not much quality. Got to imagine a Marner trade would include a whole lot less names and 1 Eklund.
18 janv. 2022 à 21 h 56
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Actually I don't mind the concept. The worse part of the trade from the Leafs view is taking on that 4,25m bad cap for Lebanc. Leafs keep Kerfoot instead of Lebanc

Now can you do Marner for first and third, and you keep the rest.

Don't know if Phoenix does that deal without a better sweetener
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18 janv. 2022 à 22 h 22
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Package would have to start with Timo Meier and Ferraro
18 janv. 2022 à 23 h 18
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Actually I don't mind the concept. The worse part of the trade from the Leafs view is taking on that 4,25m bad cap for Lebanc. Leafs keep Kerfoot instead of Lebanc

Now can you do Marner for first and third, and you keep the rest.

Don't know if Phoenix does that deal without a better sweetener


You say so many wise things on here but then sometimes I just don't get you. This trade is garbage for TO. Nothing here helps the team. Marner is the best player by far and these picks may helps years down the road. It's all around a bad deal.
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18 janv. 2022 à 23 h 45
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whatever TOR would accept for Marner the sharks should not offer. so this would be bad for both sides
19 janv. 2022 à 11 h 21
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You say so many wise things on here but then sometimes I just don't get you. This trade is garbage for TO. Nothing here helps the team. Marner is the best player by far and these picks may helps years down the road. It's all around a bad deal.


Yep Marner is good, very good player, Can the Leafs spend 11m better to bolster their roster than one Marner? I say they can. And others like you, say no, keep Marner.
Thanks for voicing your opinion, ol' friend.
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19 janv. 2022 à 11 h 27
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Yep Marner is good, very good player, Can the Leafs spend 11m better to bolster their roster than one Marner? I say they can. And others like you, say no, keep Marner.
Thanks for voicing your opinion, ol' friend.


The only way they can spend 11 million better would be if they can get 2 elite players on bargain contracts. Which doesn't happen anymore really. Two depth guys making 5 million like a Hyman or Palat does not equal Marner. Elite players are so much better than other guys. And spending too much to keep doeth guys will make for a worse team.
19 janv. 2022 à 11 h 32
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The only way they can spend 11 million better would be if they can get 2 elite players on bargain contracts. Which doesn't happen anymore really. Two depth guys making 5 million like a Hyman or Palat does not equal Marner. Elite players are so much better than other guys. And spending too much to keep doeth guys will make for a worse team.


That makes sense. But how about with that 11m...there is cap to sign Campbell (if it's a reasonable contract), sign Sandin long term instead of losing him to an offer sheet, and still have cap space.
Does four years of Campbell, four more years of Sandin, and cap for another player make more sense than having Marner for three seasons.? Those seem to be the options.....both are viable.
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19 janv. 2022 à 11 h 38
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That makes sense. But how about with that 11m...there is cap to sign Campbell (if it's a reasonable contract), sign Sandin long term instead of losing him to an offer sheet, and still have cap space.
Does four years of Campbell, four more years of Sandin, and cap for another player make more sense than having Marner for three seasons.? Those seem to be the options.....both are viable.


It can absolutely be done without trading Marner. Dubas will find a way. Also what has Sandin done to warrant anything more than a bridge deal? I think 2 years at 1.5 is a fair deal for him right now. Giving him 4-5 years would likely need 4 million and that is absolutely not a wise plan. Is he a top 4 defenceman right now? We'll see over the next couple of games with Muzzin out but I am not ready to bet that much yet. So realistically both Liljegren and Sandin should come in at less than 2 million for the next couple of years. The beauty is if they progress into top 4 defenceman worth building around you can use the money we are paying Muzzin and Brodie to give them raises on their 3rd contracts. Rielly is the leafs #1 and best defenceman. He's going to be that for quite a while yet which means Sandin will at best become the #2 LD and #2 PP qb. He so far has 2 PP assists on the season and 9 points total. So again what has he done to warrant any sort of larger contract?
19 janv. 2022 à 13 h 48
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It can absolutely be done without trading Marner. Dubas will find a way. Also what has Sandin done to warrant anything more than a bridge deal? I think 2 years at 1.5 is a fair deal for him right now. Giving him 4-5 years would likely need 4 million and that is absolutely not a wise plan. Is he a top 4 defenceman right now? We'll see over the next couple of games with Muzzin out but I am not ready to bet that much yet. So realistically both Liljegren and Sandin should come in at less than 2 million for the next couple of years. The beauty is if they progress into top 4 defenceman worth building around you can use the money we are paying Muzzin and Brodie to give them raises on their 3rd contracts. Rielly is the leafs #1 and best defenceman. He's going to be that for quite a while yet which means Sandin will at best become the #2 LD and #2 PP qb. He so far has 2 PP assists on the season and 9 points total. So again what has he done to warrant any sort of larger contract?


Sandin is offer sheet eligible. Would some team offer him 4.2m X 5...which costs a second rounder and could the Leafs match? Liljegren not offer sheet eligible this season.

If the Leafs don't trade any of the top four forwards and top 3 Dmen....that's 53m in 7 players. Leaves 20m for 15m players. Sure it "can be done" but the team won't the same as this years team.
19 janv. 2022 à 14 h 1
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It can absolutely be done without trading Marner. Dubas will find a way.

As a Sharks fan who went through 15 years of playoff disappointment in the Jumbo era -- take it from me: you don't want to go top-heavy at the expense of gutting your team of any depth. I know Leafs fans can empathize with the playoff exits of the last few years. That's a road you don't want to go down on. 4-line teams with some superstar power (Matthews Tavares Nylander aren't any slouches) can win a cup if they have an extra 11mil to spend on quality depth (or 6-7million extra with Labanc filling in Marner's role on offense). It's a 4-line league. Serious stanley cup contenders all have it and have had it throughout the last decade+. I say all this from a point of sincerity btw since Leafs are my #2 team.
19 janv. 2022 à 14 h 17
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Sandin is offer sheet eligible. Would some team offer him 4.2m X 5...which costs a second rounder and could the Leafs match? Liljegren not offer sheet eligible this season.

If the Leafs don't trade any of the top four forwards and top 3 Dmen....that's 53m in 7 players. Leaves 20m for 15m players. Sure it "can be done" but the team won't the same as this years team.


Dubas has proven time and time again that he can find value in the bargain bin. I think our additions at the trade deadline will be minor this year because he may need to keep assets to help shed salary this offseason (Mrazek might have to be moved) but it is possible. Every year people say the same thing and every year it's been proven false.

As for Sandin, why would anyone offer that much up for Sandin? That is a crazy big risk. It could pay off but I haven't seen enough to warrant taking that risk on. We'll see how he plays over the next little bit here but he's not exactly blowing the doors off the barn. He's just solid, makes smart plays, have get hemmed into his own zone at times but still has a lot of growing to do. Dermott looked similar and never really progressed from that.
19 janv. 2022 à 14 h 22
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As a Sharks fan who went through 15 years of playoff disappointment in the Jumbo era -- take it from me: you don't want to go top-heavy at the expense of gutting your team of any depth. I know Leafs fans can empathize with the playoff exits of the last few years. That's a road you don't want to go down on. 4-line teams with some superstar power (Matthews Tavares Nylander aren't any slouches) can win a cup if they have an extra 11mil to spend on quality depth (or 6-7million extra with Labanc filling in Marner's role on offense). It's a 4-line league. Serious stanley cup contenders all have it and have had it throughout the last decade+. I say all this from a point of sincerity btw since Leafs are my #2 team.


TO has good lines now. And no LeBlanc does not fill Marners role offensively. That makes your whole statement ridiculous. SJ didn't win because while being solid they were just always a little bit behind the teams that won. Luck I think had more to do with it than anything else.

Timing is going to be a big contributor to TO winning a cup or not. They are in a slaughter house division where they could win the president's trophy and still play a top 10 team in the league in the 1st round. Or be the 2nd best team and face a top 5 team in the 1st round. One of Florida, Tampa or TO is going to lose in the first round when a western team that would have missed the playoffs by 10 points in the east will get to the 2nd round.

Luck and timing bb
 
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