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Créé par: nic_par
Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 18 janv. 2022
Publié: 18 janv. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Up to the 2023 Deadline
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3850 000 $
3925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
22 250 000 $
21 850 000 $
21 000 000 $
42 550 000 $
2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
11 500 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Nemec, Simon
3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
Turris
TDL 2022
EDM
    Kulak
    2.
    MTL
    1. Monahan, Sean
    2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (CGY)
    Détails additionnels:
    Two centers who have been underperforming in the last 2 years. Saving 2M helps the Flames to sign Gaudreau/Tkachuk/Mangiapane. Picks are added to counter the cap hit difference.
    CGY
    1. Dvorak, Christian
    2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (TBL)
    Détails additionnels:
    At 2022 Draft
    3.
    MTL
    1. Nosek, Tomas
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BOS)
    Détails additionnels:
    Doesn't have to be the Bruins. Any team looking for a good middle-6 center at next year's trade deadline.
    BOS
    1. Monahan, Sean (3 000 000 $ retained)
    Détails additionnels:
    At 2023 Deadline
    4.
    MTL
    1. Poulin, Samuel
    2. Zucker, Jason
    3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
    Détails additionnels:
    Pittsburgh upgrades LW without sacrificing a 1st rd pick.
    PIT
    1. Drouin, Jonathan
    Détails additionnels:
    At 2023 Deadline
    5.
    MTL
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
    Détails additionnels:
    2022 Deadline
    FLA
      Chiarot 50% retained
      6.
      MTL
      1. Kravtsov, Vitali [Droits de RFA]
      2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
      Détails additionnels:
      At 2022 Draft
      NYR
      1. Toffoli, Tyler
      2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (CAR)
      7.
      MTL
      1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (COL)
      Détails additionnels:
      At 2022 Draft
      Rachats de contrats
      Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
      Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
      2022
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      Logo de MTL
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      Logo de ANA
      Logo de MTL
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      2023
      Logo de MTL
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      Logo de FLA
      Logo de MTL
      Logo de MTL
      Logo de EDM
      Logo de COL
      Logo de MTL
      Logo de MTL
      Logo de MTL
      Logo de MTL
      2024
      Logo de MTL
      Logo de MTL
      Logo de PIT
      Logo de MTL
      Logo de MTL
      Logo de MTL
      Logo de MTL
      TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
      2382 500 000 $75 742 082 $1 132 500 $1 270 000 $6 757 918 $
      Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
      Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
      5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
      AG, AD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 1
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
      C
      UFA - 8
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
      AG, AD
      UFA - 1
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
      AG
      UFA - 2
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      1 850 000 $1 850 000 $
      AG, AD
      UFA - 2
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
      AD, AG
      M-NTC
      UFA - 5
      Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
      863 333 $863 333 $
      C, AG
      RFA - 2
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      750 000 $750 000 $
      C, AG
      UFA - 1
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
      AD, AG
      M-NTC, NMC
      UFA - 5
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      2 550 000 $2 550 000 $
      AG, AD
      UFA - 5
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
      C
      UFA - 3
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
      AD, AG
      UFA - 3
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
      AG, AD
      UFA - 1
      Logo de Bruins de Boston
      1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
      AG, C
      UFA - 1
      Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      875 000 $875 000 $
      DG/DD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 2
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      2 343 750 $2 343 750 $
      DD
      M-NTC, NMC
      UFA - 3
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
      G
      NMC
      UFA - 4
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
      DG
      RFA - 3
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
      DD
      UFA - 3
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
      G
      RFA - 3
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
      DG/DD
      RFA - 3
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      925 000 $925 000 $
      DG/DD
      RFA - 1
      1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
      DD
      UFA - 4
      Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
      Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
      7 857 143 $7 857 143 $
      DD
      UFA - 4

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      18 janv. 2022 à 21 h 6
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      Tintin over 1122
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      No thank you
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      18 janv. 2022 à 21 h 10
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      Counter: Monahan + 1st + 2nd for Toffoli and Dvorak
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      18 janv. 2022 à 21 h 12
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      Easy no from the Rangers
      18 janv. 2022 à 21 h 20
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      Why do you value Allen at a 2nd? Heres some recent G trades:

      Allen +7th for 3rd+7th
      Fleury for Hakkarainen
      Vladar for 3rd
      Nedeljkovic for 3rd + Bernier UFA rights
      Hill + 7th for 2nd + Korenar
      Vanecek for 2nd

      MTL got Allen for a 3rd (ignoring 7th round pick swap) after the 19-20 season where he put up a 2.15GAA and .927SV% with a +4.2GSAx. In his 2 seasons with MTL he put up a 2.68GAA and .907SV% with a +2.3GSAx in 20-21 and has a 3.15GAA and 0.901SV% with a -3.7GSAx this year. Hes gotten worse but his value has gone up?

      Vanecek and Hill are the only ones who got a 2nd in return (presumably cause they are young), but Allen is 31 right now

      Even looking at the UFA G market last year there are plenty of better goalies who signed for less than what Allen is making:

      Raanta 2x2, +1.9GSAx
      Reimer 2x2.25, +2.7GSAx
      Halak 1x1.5, +3.7GSAx
      Brossoit 2x2.325, +1.0GSAx
      Holtby 1x2, +1.2GSAx
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      18 janv. 2022 à 21 h 23
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      Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
      Counter: Monahan + 1st + 2nd for Toffoli and Dvorak


      I honestly think this could work. Or at the very least I would consider it.
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      18 janv. 2022 à 21 h 36
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      Oilers accept.
      18 janv. 2022 à 22 h 2
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      Quoting: F50marco
      I honestly think this could work. Or at the very least I would consider it.


      They paid a 1st + 2nd for Dvorak? So that’s basically trading Toffoli for Monahan? Why not just do that instead of overpaying for Dvorak?
      18 janv. 2022 à 22 h 4
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      Quoting: DogDayCaps2
      They paid a 1st + 2nd for Dvorak? So that’s basically trading Toffoli for Monahan? Why not just do that instead of overpaying for Dvorak?


      Thats assuming you think Dvorak is still worth the 1st and 2nd and that the 1st will be as late as Carolina's
      18 janv. 2022 à 22 h 12
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      I think everyone missed the part where it said Not Up For Discussion.
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      18 janv. 2022 à 23 h 54
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      Quoting: DogDayCaps2
      They paid a 1st + 2nd for Dvorak? So that’s basically trading Toffoli for Monahan? Why not just do that instead of overpaying for Dvorak?


      Well, do you believe all 1st round picks are equal?? Connor McDavid was a 1st round pick and so was Logan Mailloux. Are they equal? So saying "a 1st" is relative. It really depends on WHOSE 1st.

      CGY is currently not in the playoffs. Even if they squeak in this year, odds are they lose to top seeds Colorado or Vegas. Meaning the pick is no higher than 18th OV and even potentially in the 12-15 OV range if they miss the playoffs. The pick the Habs traded for Dvorak is currently the 32nd OV in the league because it will be Carolina's. Carolina is a stud team this year so the odds are they go far in the playoffs. Meaning even if they don't win the cup, the pick will be really late.

      Then the next part of the equation is Monahan. If the Habs trade Mony at next years TDL with 50% retained, they should be able to get a decent return. If Mony plays well for the Habs with added play time, he could get a 1st at next years TDL in my opinion. He's better than his stats this year show. You don't score three 30 goal seasons and then forget how to score at age 27. I know Monahan is having a bad year but keep this in mind, so is all the Habs players. If you think he's worth so much less, that same logic applies to literally every Habs player this year too. Is Dvorak still worth a 1st and a 2nd after a mediocre season thus far?

      So the value is wayyyyy better than it appears but you have to look deep at the details to see it.
      19 janv. 2022 à 6 h 48
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      Avs decline. No discussion needed.
      19 janv. 2022 à 9 h 15
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      Pens decline. They aren’t upgrading their LW here. It’s a lateral move at best. Drouin might be slightly better points wise, but the locker room leadership and analytically Zucker is much better than Drouin.
      19 janv. 2022 à 12 h 15
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      Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
      Thats assuming you think Dvorak is still worth the 1st and 2nd and that the 1st will be as late as Carolina's


      Quoting: F50marco
      Well, do you believe all 1st round picks are equal?? Connor McDavid was a 1st round pick and so was Logan Mailloux. Are they equal? So saying "a 1st" is relative. It really depends on WHOSE 1st.

      CGY is currently not in the playoffs. Even if they squeak in this year, odds are they lose to top seeds Colorado or Vegas. Meaning the pick is no higher than 18th OV and even potentially in the 12-15 OV range if they miss the playoffs. The pick the Habs traded for Dvorak is currently the 32nd OV in the league because it will be Carolina's. Carolina is a stud team this year so the odds are they go far in the playoffs. Meaning even if they don't win the cup, the pick will be really late.

      Then the next part of the equation is Monahan. If the Habs trade Mony at next years TDL with 50% retained, they should be able to get a decent return. If Mony plays well for the Habs with added play time, he could get a 1st at next years TDL in my opinion. He's better than his stats this year show. You don't score three 30 goal seasons and then forget how to score at age 27. I know Monahan is having a bad year but keep this in mind, so is all the Habs players. If you think he's worth so much less, that same logic applies to literally every Habs player this year too. Is Dvorak still worth a 1st and a 2nd after a mediocre season thus far?

      So the value is wayyyyy better than it appears but you have to look deep at the details to see it.


      I was more logically asking how you were approaching this trade. Imo Habs overpaid for Dvorak (I think he was worth a 2nd + prospect). From the Habs prospective they would be getting “an identical” return for Dvorak. “ “ meaning as far as picks without knowing where the picks fall bc nobody could know that currently. So my main question is do you think TT = SM?

      To be clear I would take a 1st + 2nd for Dvorak. That basically being able to erase a terrible trade imo. TT for SM seems okay to me depending on how you value SM
      19 janv. 2022 à 12 h 30
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      Quoting: DogDayCaps2
      I was more logically asking how you were approaching this trade. Imo Habs overpaid for Dvorak (I think he was worth a 2nd + prospect). From the Habs prospective they would be getting “an identical” return for Dvorak. “ “ meaning as far as picks without knowing where the picks fall bc nobody could know that currently. So my main question is do you think TT = SM?

      To be clear I would take a 1st + 2nd for Dvorak. That basically being able to erase a terrible trade imo. TT for SM seems okay to me depending on how you value SM


      I get what your saying but that's not how one can look at this IMHO. Player values continually change. You can't use prior values as a sole basis. Especially when circumstances change. Evander Kane was worth a 1st at one point, is he still wort that?

      I was only pointing out that you said "a 1st and 2nd rounder for Dvorak". Well the 1st and 2nd the Habs paid for him is worth much less, right now, than CGY's. So even if you think Dvorak is still worth what we paid for him, this is an oversimplification of what it actually is:

      Dvorak for 2nd + 60% of Monahan
      Toffolli for 1st + 40% of Monahan
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      19 janv. 2022 à 12 h 30
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      Quoting: DogDayCaps2
      I was more logically asking how you were approaching this trade. Imo Habs overpaid for Dvorak (I think he was worth a 2nd + prospect). From the Habs prospective they would be getting “an identical” return for Dvorak. “ “ meaning as far as picks without knowing where the picks fall bc nobody could know that currently. So my main question is do you think TT = SM?

      To be clear I would take a 1st + 2nd for Dvorak. That basically being able to erase a terrible trade imo. TT for SM seems okay to me depending on how you value SM


      To me I see it as a redo for Montreal. I do personally consider TT = to SM but Montreal does not exactly need SM vs futures. So the incentive here is they undo a trade that didnt work the way they wanted and can then flip Monahan for more value next year
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      19 janv. 2022 à 16 h 6
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      Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
      To me I see it as a redo for Montreal. I do personally consider TT = to SM but Montreal does not exactly need SM vs futures. So the incentive here is they undo a trade that didnt work the way they wanted and can then flip Monahan for more value next year


      That makes way more sense
       
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