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3 way trade with DAL and ARI

Créé par: Imagine875948
Équipe: 2021-22 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 17 janv. 2022
Publié: 17 janv. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
PIT gets: Radulov (1 mil retained) + Gurianov + Crouse

DAL gets: Kapanen + Hallander + 2022 4th round pick (PIT)

ARI gets: Zucker + 2023 5th (PIT)
Transactions
1.
ARI
  1. Zucker, Jason
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
2.
PIT
  1. Gurianov, Denis
  2. Radulov, Alexander (1 000 000 $ retained)
DAL
  1. Hållander, Filip
  2. Kapanen, Kasperi
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (PIT)
Rachats de contrats
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $79 411 539 $0 $0 $2 088 461 $
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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2 636 364 $2 636 364 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
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9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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2 550 000 $2 550 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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1 533 333 $1 533 333 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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4 025 175 $4 025 175 $
DG
UFA - 4
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4 400 000 $4 400 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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750 000 $750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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750 000 $750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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1 725 000 $1 725 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ (125 000 $$125K125 000 $$125K)
G
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
AG
RFA - 1
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725 000 $725 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AG
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ (25 000 $$25K25 000 $$25K)
DG
UFA - 1
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725 000 $725 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
C, AD
UFA - 1

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17 janv. 2022 à 18 h 43
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I think you underestimate how easy it will be. They don't want to compete now, they are actively tanking. Their goal isn't to be good. Arizona is a destination for players in general. A nice, warm climate. Offer a free agent an extra million over his worth to play for them, easy. 'We'll give you extra money and a bigger opportunity than you'll see elsewhere then flip you to a contending team at the deadline.' is a pretty attractive offer.

We also saw how they just dealt with this in the last offseason. They ate cap from all over the league and got paid to do it. This is what the OP is asking them to do again just without the paying them part.


I think you're honestly overlooking things I've said because you're repeating some of it lol. I know they're not trying to compete, but you STILL have to reach the cap floor, so what are you going to do? Go sign Galchenyuk to $5M to help get to the cap? Kyle Turris to a $5M contract? Because those are the type of players who would come play for AZ. You're not going to lure Kadri or Strome. You're going to need to have a few $5 to $6M players and it's not going to be easy to lure those guys to a place that has no plan on competing right now. With that said, Zucker is a decent player who brings the type of cap-hit you need and it's only for one year, so you guys can keep patching while your picks are developing.
17 janv. 2022 à 18 h 54
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I think you're honestly overlooking things I've said because you're repeating some of it lol. I know they're not trying to compete, but you STILL have to reach the cap floor, so what are you going to do? Go sign Galchenyuk to $5M to help get to the cap? Kyle Turris to a $5M contract? Because those are the type of players who would come play for AZ. You're not going to lure Kadri or Strome. You're going to need to have a few $5 to $6M players and it's not going to be easy to lure those guys to a place that has no plan on competing right now. With that said, Zucker is a decent player who brings the type of cap-hit you need and it's only for one year, so you guys can keep patching while your picks are developing.


I'll put it like this. If reaching the cap floor isn't a trivial thing, can you point out any teams who have had trouble reaching the floor before?
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17 janv. 2022 à 18 h 58
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I'll put it like this. If reaching the cap floor isn't a trivial thing, can you point out any teams who have had trouble reaching the floor before?


Well, it's hard to think of any teams in recent time where 90% of their roster was comprised of pending UFAs, so I don't think there's anything comparable to this situation.
17 janv. 2022 à 18 h 59
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Well, it's hard to think of any teams in recent time where 90% of their roster was comprised of pending UFAs, so I don't think there's anything comparable to this situation.


So a no. Maybe you are just wrong in how trivial it truely is.
17 janv. 2022 à 18 h 59
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So a no. Maybe you are just wrong in how trivial it truely is.


Well, AZ had to trade for Datsyuk's contract a few years back to reach the floor.
17 janv. 2022 à 19 h 2
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Well, AZ had to trade for Datsyuk's contract a few years back to reach the floor.


You mean get paid to take it. They moved down in the 1st round and got what is now Chychrun. They did pretty well.
17 janv. 2022 à 19 h 3
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You mean get paid to take it. They moved down in the 1st round and got what is now Chychrun. They did pretty well.


Dude, are you really this stubborn? This situation is unprecedented territory.
17 janv. 2022 à 19 h 5
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Dude, are you really this stubborn? This situation is unprecedented territory.


It's not really. We see teams all the time need to reach the cap floor and they never have trouble doing it. You can cover your eyes with blinders if you want but the facts are that reaching the floor is trivial.
17 janv. 2022 à 19 h 6
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I think you're honestly overlooking things I've said because you're repeating some of it lol. I know they're not trying to compete, but you STILL have to reach the cap floor, so what are you going to do? Go sign Galchenyuk to $5M to help get to the cap? Kyle Turris to a $5M contract? Because those are the type of players who would come play for AZ. You're not going to lure Kadri or Strome. You're going to need to have a few $5 to $6M players and it's not going to be easy to lure those guys to a place that has no plan on competing right now. With that said, Zucker is a decent player who brings the type of cap-hit you need and it's only for one year, so you guys can keep patching while your picks are developing.


Reaching the cap floor is not hard to do. Especially with so many teams very likely looking to move cap this offseason. Lets name some teams that would likely try and move cap out this offseason in one way or another. Calgary, Edmonton, LA, Vancouver, Vegas, Colorado, Minnesota, St. Louis, Winnipeg, Carolina, NYI, NYR, Pittsburgh (depends on their 2 big UFA's), Washington, Boston, Florida, Tampa, Toronto.
17 janv. 2022 à 19 h 6
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It's not really. We see teams all the time need to reach the cap floor and they never have trouble doing it.


AZ currently has Seven players signed. Five RFAs. That's 12 players. Do you know how many you need for a roster?
17 janv. 2022 à 19 h 7
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Reaching the cap floor is not hard to do. Especially with so many teams very likely looking to move cap this offseason. Lets name some teams that would likely try and move cap out this offseason in one way or another. Calgary, Edmonton, LA, Vancouver, Vegas, Colorado, Minnesota, St. Louis, Winnipeg, Carolina, NYI, NYR, Pittsburgh (depends on their 2 big UFA's), Washington, Boston, Florida, Tampa, Toronto.


Sure, they can trade to get players like that, but what would you rather do? Move draft picks to get them or player that's of no use to you?
17 janv. 2022 à 19 h 9
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Well, it's hard to think of any teams in recent time where 90% of their roster was comprised of pending UFAs, so I don't think there's anything comparable to this situation.


Buffalo 2 years ago had like 8 players signed going into free agency
17 janv. 2022 à 19 h 13
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Sure, they can trade to get players like that, but what would you rather do? Move draft picks to get them or player that's of no use to you?


I don't understand at all what you are saying here? Lets say Boston wants to address their center depth and goes after Hertl or something. They will need more than just Bergeron's cap space to sign him and bring back Bergeron. That would likely involve paying a team (ie Arizona) to take on one of or some combination of Moore, Forbort, Reilly, Foligno, and DeBrusk. Arizona is not going to be the team paying to get these players with unappealing cap hits.
17 janv. 2022 à 19 h 20
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AZ currently has Seven players signed. Five RFAs. That's 12 players. Do you know how many you need for a roster?


You need 20 for a roster but thats also irrelevant for the cap floor. What Arizona needs is $30 million more cap spent in those 13 players (not counting the RFAs in the AHL currently) as well as anyone else acquired. That is far from unprecedented and especially when you look at it by cap %. No teams have had trouble doing this before(and it has come up before despite your claims to the contrary), why is that going to change for Arizona?

The 2011 Florida Panthers are specifically an interesting case study. They needed to spend $25 million in order to reach a cap floor of $48.3-million. How'd they do?

A funny quote from their GM, '"The floor is going to get in the way of us trying to become a good team," said Tallon. "The focus is not the floor, the focus is to become a really good team as quickly as possible without jeopardizing our future. The floor is going to accidentally get in the way.''
17 janv. 2022 à 19 h 20
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I don't understand at all what you are saying here? Lets say Boston wants to address their center depth and goes after Hertl or something. They will need more than just Bergeron's cap space to sign him and bring back Bergeron. That would likely involve paying a team (ie Arizona) to take on one of or some combination of Moore, Forbort, Reilly, Foligno, and DeBrusk. Arizona is not going to be the team paying to get these players with unappealing cap hits.


AZ won't have problem signing or trading late round picks for your $2M/$3M players if they are available, so first you have to skim which teams have players in those price-ranges they're wiling to move and move for late round picks.

Now, to grab a few of your $5M+ contracts, look at the teams with contracts like that they're willing to dump for late round picks and see how many of them have trade clauses, because I bet you any amount of money you'll only have a few willing to waive. Someone like Zucker will probably tough out one year and then go into FA.

The rest you need to fill out in FA and depending on how many you were able to trade for that could be a difficult task depending on the contracts you collected by trade. I'm just saying this isn't EASY and Zucker is the EXACT type of scenario you're talking about.
17 janv. 2022 à 22 h 58
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AZ won't have problem signing or trading late round picks for your $2M/$3M players if they are available, so first you have to skim which teams have players in those price-ranges they're wiling to move and move for late round picks.

Now, to grab a few of your $5M+ contracts, look at the teams with contracts like that they're willing to dump for late round picks and see how many of them have trade clauses, because I bet you any amount of money you'll only have a few willing to waive. Someone like Zucker will probably tough out one year and then go into FA.

The rest you need to fill out in FA and depending on how many you were able to trade for that could be a difficult task depending on the contracts you collected by trade. I'm just saying this isn't EASY and Zucker is the EXACT type of scenario you're talking about.


And I highly disagree with your point of view here, it should not be difficult at all to reach the cap floor. We can agree to disagree though. Either way there is no way Arizona would do this trade
 
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