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In Spite of Reality

Créé par: Grievous
Date de création initiale: 15 janv. 2022
Publié: 15 janv. 2022
Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
Explications
Chychrun is having a poor season and is currently injured, a common theme for him, but he is a good young Dman who is better than Keith and is what the Oilers hope Broberg will be in 2 or 3 years. The time is now for the Oilers, so Chychrun is worth the risk. This move will reduce Nurse’s minutes and move Keith down the depth chart.

Kessel and Boyd are added as good veteran depth pieces needed to help this team make the playoffs.

Koskinen and Kassian are added to help balance the money.

The Ullmark trade benefits Boston by giving them some cap room to make another deal, plus a tough, experienced depth defenseman. Senyshyn is given a new chance in a new organization, because he isn’t getting that where he is.

Petty is struggling and old, but has history in Edmonton, so he might be open to moving. Barrie has actually been very good on the Defensive side of things and has been the most steady Dman over the last 5 weeks and as a top scoring Dman in the NHL comes on a very team-friendly contract.

The Canadiens would have to retain on this trade, otherwise the Oilers would not be able to fit Petry’s salary next season.

Lavoie is added in consideration of Petry’s long term contract and the 2nd is added for this and AL.
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CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Evander, Kane11 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. Chychrun, Jakob
  2. Boyd, Travis
  3. Kessel, Phil (3 250 000 $ retained)
ARI
  1. Kassian, Zack
  2. Koskinen, Mikko
  3. Broberg, Philip
  4. 2022 1e round pick (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. Ullmark, Linus (1 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Senyshyn, Zach
BOS
  1. Koekkoek, Slater
  2. Marody, Cooper
  3. 2023 3e round pick (EDM)
3.
EDM
  1. Petry, Jeff (2 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Lehkonen, Artturi
MTL
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. Lavoie, Raphael
  3. 2023 2e round pick (EDM)
Rachats de contrats
  • James Neal: 1 916 667 $
  • Andrej Sekera: 1 500 000 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Milan Lucic: 750 000 $ (13%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $78 021 968 $669 339 $907 500 $3 478 032 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Evander, Kane
1 500 000 $
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McDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $
C
UFA - 5
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Puljujärvi, Jesse
1 175 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
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Hyman, Zach
5 500 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 7
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Draisaitl, Leon
8 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
Logo de ARI
Kessel, Phil
3 550 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de EDM
Foegele, Warren
2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
Logo de EDM
McLeod, Ryan
834 167 $
C
RFA - 1
Logo de EDM
Yamamoto, Kailer
1 175 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
Logo de MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
1 150 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de ARI
Boyd, Travis
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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Sceviour, Colton
750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Nurse, Darnell
5 600 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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Petry, Jeff
3 750 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
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Smith, Mike
2 200 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de ARI
Chychrun, Jakob
4 600 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
Logo de EDM
Ceci, Cody
3 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
Logo de BOS
Ullmark, Linus
4 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
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Keith, Duncan
5 538 462 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 2
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Bouchard, Evan
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Lagesson, William
725 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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Klefbom, Oscar
4 167 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
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Ryan, Derek
1 250 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
5 125 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 8
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Benson, Tyler
750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Archibald, Josh
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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Russell, Kris
1 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
Logo de EDM
Perlini, Brendan
750 000 $ (0 $)
AD, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de EDM
Shore, Devin
850 000 $ (0 $)
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de EDM
Turris, Kyle
1 650 000 $ (525 000 $)
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de BOS
Senyshyn, Zach
750 000 $ (0 $)
AD
UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Kessel, P.
Evander, K.
Draisaitl, L.
Bouchard, E.
McDavid, C.
Avantage numérique 2
Hyman, Z.
McLeod, R.
Puljujärvi, J.
Chychrun, J.
Petry, J.
Infériorité numérique 1
Hyman, Z.
McLeod, R.
Nurse, D.
Petry, J.
Infériorité numérique 2
Lehkonen, A.
Boyd, T.
Chychrun, J.
Ceci, C.

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15 janv. à 17 h 59
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Add another 2nd the habs trade
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IF Montreal were to retain 2.5 Mil on Petry for 3 more years, you are giving up Bouchard as well as all that at least. Top pairing RHD, don't come cheap.
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I have a feeling Petry wouldn't accept a trade back to EDM so regardless of who needs to add, I don't think it would likely happen anyway for that reason alone.
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Chychrun/Boyd/Kessel are worth a lot more especially when have added a cap dump in Koshiken and 2.5 years of cap dump Kassian.
Despite what Bruins and Oilers fans think....Ullmark has no motivation to waive his NMC to Edmonton.
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Quoting: F50marco
I have a feeling Petry wouldn't accept a trade back to EDM so regardless of who needs to add, I don't think it would likely happen anyway for that reason alone.


Thus the title
15 janv. à 18 h 11
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Chychrun/Boyd/Kessel are worth a lot more especially when have added a cap dump in Koshiken and 2.5 years of cap dump Kassian.
Despite what Bruins and Oilers fans think....Ullmark has no motivation to waive his NMC to Edmonton.


Cap dump Kassian is lining up with Draisaitl and McDavid tonight, he has value despite this inane narrative that is based on biased perception, when his comparative per60 stats scream otherwise.

Unless you have insider knowledge, how do you know what Ullmark would do?
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So Boston gets 3 useless pieces for a #1 goalie and they retain for 4 years? Sure you dont want them to throw Pasta in to make it fair? 🙄

Ullmark will cost a 1st or similar value if they move him, unlikely, not scraps.
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Chychrun isn't really having a "poor" year. He hasn't been as good offensively as last season, but he has been very good defensively. And looking at that Coyotes team should explain parts of his offensive struggles this season.
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Quoting: Grievous
Cap dump Kassian is lining up with Draisaitl and McDavid tonight, he has value despite this inane narrative that is based on biased perception, when his comparative per60 stats scream otherwise.

Unless you have insider knowledge, how do you know what Ullmark would do?


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Cap dump Kassian is lining up with Draisaitl and McDavid tonight, he has value despite this inane narrative that is based on biased perception, when his comparative per60 stats scream otherwise.

Unless you have insider knowledge, how do you know what Ullmark would do?


Players give $$$$ and maybe even term to have NMC on their contract. You must know Ullmark isn't waiving for the out of playoffs, Oilers, about the worse travel schedule in the league, never mind the weather. Yea, no reasonable player makes the move. If Bruins want to move him, Ullmark has the power. Avs look like an excellent choice for Ullmark next summer.

When Kassian is at his best, he is worth his contract. Unfortunately he has long lapses of mediocre to bad play. Arizona can do a lot better than the trade proposed.
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IF Montreal were to retain 2.5 Mil on Petry for 3 more years, you are giving up Bouchard as well as all that at least. Top pairing RHD, don't come cheap.


I would argue that 35 year old top pair D come much cheaper than you attest.
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So Boston gets 3 useless pieces for a #1 goalie and they retain for 4 years? Sure you dont want them to throw Pasta in to make it fair? 🙄

Ullmark will cost a 1st or similar value if they move him, unlikely, not scraps.


Ullmark is 1 of 2 or 3 #1’s on the team, okay.
Swayman it is.
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Swayman is not being traded. No goalie is. Not until the off-season and only if Rask does not retire.
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I should have titled this team “Free Nutshots” jeebus….
15 janv. à 18 h 29
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IF Montreal were to retain 2.5 Mil on Petry for 3 more years, you are giving up Bouchard as well as all that at least. Top pairing RHD, don't come cheap.


With how he has played this year Petry is no longer a top pairing RHD. This is fair value for him
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With how he has played this year Petry is no longer a top pairing RHD. This is fair value for him


Yes cause he lost sooooo much value because he was playing injured through the first 20 or so games. Give your head a shake, his value isn't tanked! He is still a top pairing D man, even in a down year. You don't go from 4 straight years of 40+ points to 3 points without a significant reason.
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Yes cause he lost sooooo much value because he was playing injured through the first 20 or so games. Give your head a shake, his value isn't tanked! He is still a top pairing D man, even in a down year. You don't go from 4 straight years of 40+ points to 3 points without a significant reason.


Old age is a reason
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Yes cause he lost sooooo much value because he was playing injured through the first 20 or so games. Give your head a shake, his value isn't tanked! He is still a top pairing D man, even in a down year. You don't go from 4 straight years of 40+ points to 3 points without a significant reason.


Well then by your logic Barrie must be an even better top pairing RHD as he has 38+ points his last 8 seasons right? So Barrie should cost Petry++
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Well then by your logic Barrie must be an even better top pairing RHD as he has 38+ points his last 8 seasons right? So Barrie should cost Petry++


Barrie was never as good defensively as Petry is, I would put Barries value somewhere around a 2nd +. My point is that players (even the ones Petry's age) don't simply decline that fast. There is more likely a significant injury that hampered his game earlier this season. One reporter even said she saw him limping through a hotel lobby in the early season.
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Barrie was never as good defensively as Petry is, I would put Barries value somewhere around a 2nd +. My point is that players (even the ones Petry's age) don't simply decline that fast. There is more likely a significant injury that hampered his game earlier this season. One reporter even said she saw him limping through a hotel lobby in the early season.


There are actually aging curves that show the drop-off is often quite steep. Injuries tend to have a cumulative effective.

https://hockeyviz.com/static/pdf/ritsac19.pdf
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Old age is a reason


So many things wrong here. You try to lower Chychrun value in the description, you try to say it’s hard to move on from Broberg because he might be the next Chychrun when he won’t. Chychrun is better than Nurse btw. You are adding cap dumps without saying THEY ARE CAP DUMPS. You need to pay to get rid of these players.

BOS are going Rask-Ullmark, if Rask retired this summer they keep Ullmark, if Rask stays, they might move Ullmark. But hey, you give them a tough, experienced dman lmao that made me laugh, Koekkoek !

Petry had a poor beginning of the year, but is style didn’t change at all. He is the same player, just on a very bad team. Not saying Petry have played great, he created more turnover than usual, but the facts he didn’t put points doesn’t mean he lost all is value because of a bad stretch ON A BAD TEAM. You are trying to sell high on Barrie when he is THE WORSE dman defensively in the ENTIRE league. He is so bad that you want to trade him (not only you more than half of the Oilers fan base). Lehkonen > Lavoie so just there you need to add. We could take Barrie vs Hoffman but that’s it. Finally, Petry hated EDM, so he wouldn’t want to go there anyway.
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That's what you'd give? Bruins decline in an instant
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So many things wrong here. You try to lower Chychrun value in the description, you try to say it’s hard to move on from Broberg because he might be the next Chychrun when he won’t. Chychrun is better than Nurse btw. You are adding cap dumps without saying THEY ARE CAP DUMPS. You need to pay to get rid of these players.

BOS are going Rask-Ullmark, if Rask retired this summer they keep Ullmark, if Rask stays, they might move Ullmark. But hey, you give them a tough, experienced dman lmao that made me laugh, Koekkoek !

Petry had a poor beginning of the year, but is style didn’t change at all. He is the same player, just on a very bad team. Not saying Petry have played great, he created more turnover than usual, but the facts he didn’t put points doesn’t mean he lost all is value because of a bad stretch ON A BAD TEAM. You are trying to sell high on Barrie when he is THE WORSE dman defensively in the ENTIRE league. He is so bad that you want to trade him (not only you more than half of the Oilers fan base). Lehkonen > Lavoie so just there you need to add. We could take Barrie vs Hoffman but that’s it. Finally, Petry hated EDM, so he wouldn’t want to go there anyway.


1. Read the team name

2. Chychrun is injury prone, FULL STOP.

He had an absolutely excellent year last year and has 3+ yrs left on a value contract. He is having a bad year statistically speaking, is it because of his team only, or does he have any part in that? Will he be the player he was (during a shortened season) last year and stay healthy for 80, 70, 50% of the remaining contract term left? I would not want him as my #1 D, but this is where Nurse takes that burden and wear & tear off of him. How many teams offer that situation for Chychrun who have interest?

Yes, Chychrun is good, but he clearly comes with a lot of risk. We don’t know what Broberg is yet, he is on a potentially extreme value contract for the next 3 years, so this is very good from a Cap standpoint. I expect him to challenge for the 3LD slot next season and the 2LD spot the following season. These are reasonable expectations given his potential and based on historical Dman development (see Oscar Klefbom).

Simply put Chychrun is a risk to trade for, otherwise why is his team considering trading their very young, cost-controlled #1 Defenseman?

3. Petry’s is old, he is not what he was and he is not going to improve at anytime during the remainder of his contract. He is younger, bigger and a better skater than Duncan Keith, so in theory he should be a better player right now. Regardless he comes with a boatload of risk.

Chara (44) - score well to 37, Andy Greene (39)-defensive Dman, Duncan Keith (38) - score well to 35, Giordano (38) scored well to 37, Suter (37) scored well to 35, but still putting up decent numbers , Burns (36) not the goal-scorer he was but still very good, and 10 others are older than Petry, but are generally 3rd pair or 7th D.

Petry’s has 3 points, so calling him a number 1 deman is indefensible. He is still a serviceable top 4 option, but on a bad team he is not part of the solution and is currently not worth more than a 2nd Round pick and that is a stretch. 3 more years of that, well you’re gonna have to do something to sweeten the deal, like retain some salary.

Lavoie is not nothing, he is a 6’4” 21 year old goal scorer with 1 yr left on his entry deal, still finding his way as a Pro. After a very slow start he is starting to heat up, he had a 5 point game recently and has 5 goals in his last 6 games. I am sure the Canadiens wouldn’t mind him in their organization. He would be the equivalent of a 2nd rounder and will be in the NHL as soon as next year.

C’est cool, I did not know you were Petry’s agent.

4. Ullmark is one of 3 excellent goaltending options, but is the most expensive option. Like I said earlier, Swayman it is (but I bet Ullmark gets moved to bring in another forward and maybe it gets them a 1st rounder, but I really doubt it, see Robin Lehner).

5. Camp dumps, as you call them are a fact of life, 90% of deals are money in = money out. The Ullmark trade gives Boston $3,000,000 in cap space + a 3rd + plus Koekkoek, who has a 2yr contract; none of these are nothing.

Anyway, keep on kicking…
15 janv. à 21 h 4
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1. Read the team name

2. Chychrun is injury prone, FULL STOP.

He had an absolutely excellent year last year and has 3+ yrs left on a value contract. He is having a bad year statistically speaking, is it because of his team only, or does he have any part in that? Will he be the player he was (during a shortened season) last year and stay healthy for 80, 70, 50% of the remaining contract term left? I would not want him as my #1 D, but this is where Nurse takes that burden off of him. How many teams offer that situation for him who have interest?

Yes, Chychrun is good, but he clearly comes with a lot of risk. We don’t know what Broberg is yet, he is on a potentially extreme value contract for the next 3 years, so this is very good from a Cap standpoint. I expect him to challenge for the 3LD slot next season and the 2LD spot the following season. These are reasonable expectations given his potential and based on historical Dman development (see Oscar Klefbom).

Simply put Chychrun is a risk to trade for, otherwise why is his team considering trading their very young, cost-controlled #1 Defenseman?

3. Petry’s is old, he is not what he was and he is not going to improve at anytime during the remainder of his contract. He is younger, bigger and a better skater than Duncan Keith, so in theory he should be a better player right now. Regardless he comes with a boatload of risk.

Chara (44) - score well to 37, Andy Greene (39)-defensive Dman, Duncan Keith (38) - score well to 35, Giordano (38) scored well to 37, Suter (37) scored well to 35, but still putting up decent numbers , Burns (36) not the goal-scorer he was but still very good, and 10 others are older than Petry, but are generally 3rd pair or 7th D.

Petry’s has 3 points, so calling him a number 1 deman is indefensible. He is still a serviceable top 4 option, but on a bad team he is not part of the solution and is currently not worth more than a 2nd Round pick and that is a stretch. 3 more years of that, well you’re gonna have to do something to sweeten the deal, like retain some salary.

C’est cool, I did not know you were his agent.

4. Ullmark is one of 3 excellent goaltending options, but is the most expensive option. Like I said earlier, Swayman it is (but I bet Ullmark gets moved to bring in another forward and maybe it gets them a 1st rounder, but I really doubt it, see Robin Lehner).

5. Camp dumps, as you call them are a fact of life, 90% of deals are money in = money out.

Anyway, keep on kicking…


I don’t wanna talk about this for long but
- yes Chychrun and Petry comes with risk, but the teams (ARI & MTL) are not going to sell low because they don’t have too. Petry is our #1 dman even if he is more of a #2-3 but we don’t have anyone else. Who’s gonna play if we trade him for scrap (like a 2nd) ? Romanov-Savard 35 minutes a night ? Why ARI are welling to shop Chychrun ? Because when they will be competitive, Chychrun will just walk out. But like THEY said, they are only trading him for a Jack Eichel package, because THEY DONT HAVE TOO.

I’m not Petry agent, but the media do some interaction with the players (ex Halloween, Christmas, etc) and after the 2017-2018 season (MTL finished at the bottom), they ask Petry’s wife (Julie) how bad was it during the season. She says almost equal to their time in EDM. So with this comment, I’m pretty sure they don’t wanna go there anymore
15 janv. à 21 h 17
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I don’t wanna talk about this for long but
- yes Chychrun and Petry comes with risk, but the teams (ARI & MTL) are not going to sell low because they don’t have too. Petry is our #1 dman even if he is more of a #2-3 but we don’t have anyone else. Who’s gonna play if we trade him for scrap (like a 2nd) ? Romanov-Savard 35 minutes a night ? Why ARI are welling to shop Chychrun ? Because when they will be competitive, Chychrun will just walk out. But like THEY said, they are only trading him for a Jack Eichel package, because THEY DONT HAVE TOO.

I’m not Petry agent, but the media do some interaction with the players (ex Halloween, Christmas, etc) and after the 2017-2018 season (MTL finished at the bottom), they ask Petry’s wife (Julie) how bad was it during the season. She says almost equal to their time in EDM. So with this comment, I’m pretty sure they don’t wanna go there anymore


Petry’s situation in Edmonton, for the record:

https://oilersnation.com/2015/10/29/jeff-petry-explains-why-he-doesn-t-play-for-the-edmonton-oilers-anymore/
 
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