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Créé par: Caniac2000
Équipe: 2021-22 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 13 janv. 2022
Publié: 13 janv. 2022
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Buffalo fans, I know you'd want a lot... how's a prospect on a better development path than Cale Makar, a former 1st round pick, a future 1st round pick, a great Russian prospect with indefinite rights and a solid Finnish defensive prospect?
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14 janv. 2022 à 15 h 29
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What would you say the price is for Morrow. I liked him as a late first pick in his draft year and NJ's prospect pool on the right side is pretty empty.


Honestly I have no idea all I know is what I've read so far they just played U of M so I will try to find a replay to watch or their next televised game Jan 22nd. He is a 2nd rd pick in 2021 and he is having a good freshman season and unless offered something ridiculous teams don't usually consider trading players is situations like this. So unless you are overpaying you probably won't get him. His play over 2 months of his freshman year of college isn't enough to justify overpaying for him. That is just my opinion.
14 janv. 2022 à 22 h 59
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Wow just wow! Be careful you keep making ridiculous claims like this and no one is going to take anything you say seriously.


None of it is ridiculous. Even before the pandemic he was realised to have a ceiling that could mean he was better than any other D man in hockey. Not my fault you didn't know that!
14 janv. 2022 à 23 h 7
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None of it is ridiculous. Even before the pandemic he was realised to have a ceiling that could mean he was better than any other D man in hockey. Not my fault you didn't know that!


Okay, let's say for argument sake that Scott Morrow IS indeed as good as you claim he is, THEN WHY THE HELL ARE YOU TRADING HIM AS PART OF A MASSIVE PACKAGE FOR DAHLIN?!?!?!

I just realized that you made this ACGM
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14 janv. 2022 à 23 h 11
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Okay, let's say for argument sake that Scott Morrow IS indeed as good as you claim he is, THEN WHY THE HELL ARE YOU TRADING HIM AS PART OF A MASSIVE PACKAGE FOR DAHLIN?!?!?!

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Same college, coach, position... he's already putting up better stats...

And simply put, because Sabres fans are gonna cry regardless. Might as well use the chance to talk about a great underrated prospect like Morrow that's the cream of the crop in one of the best prospect pools in hockey
15 janv. 2022 à 0 h 41
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None of it is ridiculous. Even before the pandemic he was realised to have a ceiling that could mean he was better than any other D man in hockey. Not my fault you didn't know that!


Then why was he drafted 40th? If he was so good before the pandemic his stock shouldn't have dropped him to 40th.
15 janv. 2022 à 1 h 58
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Then why was he drafted 40th? If he was so good before the pandemic his stock shouldn't have dropped him to 40th.


He played 6 games in his draft year due to the pandemic. THAT's why. He was a high 1st rounder before that, and was still a projected 1st rounder by most outlets
15 janv. 2022 à 9 h 52
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Quoting: Fjordy
Pass, Buffalo don't trade Dahlin. Not even close, see below.
Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Trading Dahlin will set us back... No Buffalo will not be making this trade, but everyone is tradable, this is not even close to a reasonable offer.
Quoting: Caniac2000
Don't you f*cking worry, I won't shut up about it 🙃 I will predict that you will not be bragging in four years.
Quoting: evelutions2
Sure you can afford it... You are correct but not for this offer.
I guess one may say that is a lot for a first over all pick.
But let's cut through the conjecture and see what expects think.
Suzuki, 1 #28 overall 2019 who is predicted to be a middle six forward. (85th in the URL below)
Heimosalmi, 2 #44 overall 2021 whose ceiling is a second pairing D-man. (not in the URL below)
Morrow, #40 overall 2021 who has a terrific College resume, who is being compared to Makar (not in the URL below)
Pashin, 7 #199 overall 2020 who may never want to play in the USA (not in the URL below)
2023 1st round pick (CAR)

If Morrow is predicted to be as good as Makar, it still is not enough.
Buffalo has many prospects equal or better to the balance of the "prospects" you are offering, they need better prospects not equal to what they have in the system.
Two late round first round picks, two early 2nd round picks and a 7th round pick, does not get me excited.
See how many of your prospects are listed here: https://drive4five.blog/2021/10/29/nhl-top-prospects-trevor-zegras-cole-caufield-ben-kule/
So you are offering ONE NHL prospect ranked 85th.
I cannot believe that you are still trying to defend you woefully insufficient offer for Dahlin.
15 janv. 2022 à 10 h 27
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
I guess one may say that is a lot for a first over all pick.
But let's cut through the conjecture and see what expects think.
Suzuki, 1 #28 overall 2019 who is predicted to be a middle six forward. (85th in the URL below)
Heimosalmi, 2 #44 overall 2021 whose ceiling is a second pairing D-man. (not in the URL below)
Morrow, #40 overall 2021 who has a terrific College resume, who is being compared to Makar (not in the URL below)
Pashin, 7 #199 overall 2020 who may never want to play in the USA (not in the URL below)
2023 1st round pick (CAR)

If Morrow is predicted to be as good as Makar, it still is not enough.
Buffalo has many prospects equal or better to the balance of the "prospects" you are offering, they need better prospects not equal to what they have in the system.
Two late round first round picks, two early 2nd round picks and a 7th round pick, does not get me excited.
See how many of your prospects are listed here: https://drive4five.blog/2021/10/29/nhl-top-prospects-trevor-zegras-cole-caufield-ben-kule/
So you are offering ONE NHL prospect ranked 85th.
I cannot believe that you are still trying to defend you woefully insufficient offer for Dahlin.


You're using drive for five to defend this? REALLY? My god. You can't use EP, or Scott Wheeler's Athletic rankings, you use one of the openly worst sites for prospect rankings on the internet. This is comical. Please, if you do now know what you are on about, please research it before you do this. Carolina's pool is ranked 3rd in the league by most of the major ranking sites. Carolina's openly best prospect is Scott Morrow.

For one, your list is from 2 weeks into the season. The fact it lists NOEL GUNLER above Morrow, Heimosalmi, Suzuki.... that's just wrong. Most of the guys in the top 10 aren't prospects, same applies to Jarvis now.

You're using one openly disputable source to say that the Canes are offering one top 100 prospect in the NHL. In reality, there's a top 20 prospect here in Morrow, Suzuki is still probably a top 60 prospect, so I understand if you don't think he holds much value, Heimosalmi who was ranked 5th on the Finnish WJC team, Pashin... who might be a long shot, admittedly, but doesn't mean he's nothing.

Your valuations are way too dated to hold any value here. I highly suggest Scott Wheeler's work with the Athletic if you're going to try and argue about prospects outside of your own team
15 janv. 2022 à 10 h 47
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Quoting: Caniac2000
You're using drive for five to defend this?...


Suzuki, 1 #28 overall 2019 who is predicted to be a middle six forward. (not in the URL below)
Heimosalmi, 2 #44 overall 2021 whose ceiling is a second pairing D-man. (not in the URL below)
Morrow, #40 overall 2021 who has a terrific College resume, who is being compared to Makar (not in the URL below)
Pashin, 7 #199 overall 2020 who may never want to play in the USA (not in the URL below)

How about this one January 11, 2022 :
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/
Buffalo prospects:
82: Isak Rosen
33: J.J. Peterka
18: Peyton Krebs
17. Jack Quinn
2. Owen Power

I can see why you do not like this one either Carolina's prospects:
98: Vasili Ponomaryov
89: Noel Gunler
78: Ville Koivunen

You are digging a deeper hole my friend.
Show me a different ranking to prove your point.

https://thehockeywriters.com/every-nhl-teams-top-prospect/ Ville Koivunen Carolina's top prospect
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15 janv. 2022 à 10 h 56
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Suzuki, 1 #28 overall 2019 who is predicted to be a middle six forward. (not in the URL below)
Heimosalmi, 2 #44 overall 2021 whose ceiling is a second pairing D-man. (not in the URL below)
Morrow, #40 overall 2021 who has a terrific College resume, who is being compared to Makar (not in the URL below)
Pashin, 7 #199 overall 2020 who may never want to play in the USA (not in the URL below)

How about this one January 11, 2022 :
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/
Buffalo prospects:
82: Isak Rosen
33: J.J. Peterka
18: Peyton Krebs
17. Jack Quinn
2. Owen Power

I can see why you do not like this one either Carolina's prospects:
98: Vasili Ponomaryov
89: Noel Gunler
78: Ville Koivunen

You are digging a deeper hole my friend.
Show me a different ranking to prove your point.

https://thehockeywriters.com/every-nhl-teams-top-prospect/ Ville Koivunen Carolina's top prospect


Brother, THW is a step up from a blogging site. If you take that seriously, you've messed up...

https://theathletic.com/2367342/2021/02/06/nhl-prospect-rankings-hurricanes-2021/

Read that, and come back to me after

https://eprinkside.com/2021/10/05/ep-rinkside-2021-22-prospect-pool-rankings-no-7-ranked-carolina-hurricanes

Or this one.
15 janv. 2022 à 11 h 3
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Your hole keeps getting deeper and deeper "Carolina's pool is ranked 3rd in the league by most of the major ranking sites."
You cannot find anything to prove your own statements.
Quoting: Caniac2000
https://theathletic.com/2367342/2021/02/06/nhl-prospect-rankings-hurricanes-2021/ "No. 5 Carolina Hurricanes"
https://eprinkside.com/2021/10/05/ep-rinkside-2021-22-prospect-pool-rankings-no-7-ranked-carolina-hurricanes "No. 7-ranked Carolina Hurricanes."

I just noticed the two URLs you listed are from Feb 6, 2021 and October 5th 2021 respectively.
You laughed at mine as being dated because it was printed October 29, 2021, 8 months and 3 weeks after your articles, so it was actually far more recent than YOUR CREDIBLE SOURCES.

You are truly hopeless.
Three different Sabres all said no.
You think Carolina has a top 3 ranked prospect pool, but the two URL rank it as only 5th and 7th at the beginning of the season.
Those ranking included Seth Jarvis, but the ones I posted listed him a graduate.
So your early rankings at 5th and 7th would be lower if the top prospect is not included.
When I post the Hockey Writers, you call it a blog.
You offer 2 late first, two seconds and a seventh and think Buffalo will accept that.
How about VGK, FL first round picks, Rosen and Ryan Johnson four first round picks for Aho?
I am sure you would jump on that deal.
Well that is a lot better than your offer for Dahlin, who scored more NHL points before turning 18 than anyone not named Housley.
You are correct to give it up, your arguments are week supported by out dated data.
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15 janv. 2022 à 11 h 29
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Quoting: aedoran
Honestly I have no idea all I know is what I've read so far they just played U of M so I will try to find a replay to watch or their next televised game Jan 22nd. He is a 2nd rd pick in 2021 and he is having a good freshman season and unless offered something ridiculous teams don't usually consider trading players is situations like this. So unless you are overpaying you probably won't get him. His play over 2 months of his freshman year of college isn't enough to justify overpaying for him. That is just my opinion.


My idea is getting Morrow in a package for an extended rental like Severson if NJ doesn't plan on extending him. Everything that I heard about him was impressive and he's in one of the best college programs to develop his game and adjust to stronger competition. To me, it would be foolish for Carolina to trade him but you never know what they would do if they were desperate to go on a long playoff run.
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15 janv. 2022 à 13 h 53
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
Your hole keeps getting deeper and deeper "Carolina's pool is ranked 3rd in the league by most of the major ranking sites."
You cannot find anything to prove your own statements.

I just noticed the two URLs you listed are from Feb 6, 2021 and October 5th 2021 respectively.
You laughed at mine as being dated because it was printed October 29, 2021, 8 months and 3 weeks after your articles, so it was actually far more recent than YOUR CREDIBLE SOURCES.


No, I laughed at you for using outdated, unreliable sources by listing sketchy websites. If you're gonna use outdated sources, uses respected ones.

Literally, if you don't know that Carolina have a top 3 prospect pool, you're WAY too out of touch to help. Between you using outdated, random sources, and just knowing nothing about the Canes system being one of the best in hockey, I think this convo is over buddy. Have a good day
 
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