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Équipe: 2021-22 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 13 janv. 2022
Publié: 13 janv. 2022
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Buffalo fans, I know you'd want a lot... how's a prospect on a better development path than Cale Makar, a former 1st round pick, a future 1st round pick, a great Russian prospect with indefinite rights and a solid Finnish defensive prospect?
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14 janv. 2022 à 0 h 14
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I had no idea of Scott Morrow til now
14 janv. 2022 à 0 h 46
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Pass, Buffalo don't trade Dahlin.
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14 janv. 2022 à 0 h 51
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Trading Dahlin will set us back. Not something we can even remotely afford doing.
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14 janv. 2022 à 1 h 1
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I had no idea of Scott Morrow til now


Morrow is something else... he's on pace to be better than Makar.
14 janv. 2022 à 1 h 3
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Trading Dahlin will set us back. Not something we can even remotely afford doing.


How does this set Buffalo back? They would be able to get a huge haul of future assets for a player. Yes, a premier puck-moving defenseman, but it's not like you don't have Owen Power in your system...
14 janv. 2022 à 1 h 10
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How does this set Buffalo back? They would be able to get a huge haul of future assets for a player. Yes, a premier puck-moving defenseman, but it's not like you don't have Owen Power in your system...


But Brett Pesce is of course interesting to us, how about a couple mid prospects and late 1st? sarcasm

Scott Morrow may have a great season, but that's no reason to trade Dahlin. The rest of your prospects in the deal are not very interesting and late first too.

There is no good reason for us to trade our 21 year old 1D which just keeps gaining momentum. Owen Power has nothing to do with it. A good team always has 2-3 strong defenders who play 20+ minutes. Oh yes, Dahlin also has such an option as playing RD, this can also be useful to us in future.
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14 janv. 2022 à 1 h 29
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How does this set Buffalo back? They would be able to get a huge haul of future assets for a player. Yes, a premier puck-moving defenseman, but it's not like you don't have Owen Power in your system...


That's like trading Teuvo because you have Jarvis no?

We need as much elite talent as we can get a hold. You never win a trade like this tbh.
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14 janv. 2022 à 1 h 46
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That's like trading Teuvo because you have Jarvis no?

We need as much elite talent as we can get a hold. You never win a trade like this tbh.


Yeap, this logic does not work. Should Ottawa trade Chabot because they have Sanderson? Why didn't Tampa trade Hedman if they have Sergachev. And there are many such examples.
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14 janv. 2022 à 2 h 0
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But Brett Pesce is of course interesting to us, how about a couple mid prospects and late 1st? sarcasm

Scott Morrow may have a great season, but that's no reason to trade Dahlin. The rest of your prospects in the deal are not very interesting and late first too.

There is no good reason for us to trade our 21 year old 1D which just keeps gaining momentum. Owen Power has nothing to do with it. A good team always has 2-3 strong defenders who play 20+ minutes. Oh yes, Dahlin also has such an option as playing RD, this can also be useful to us in future.


Except the situation is different. Carolina are a team trying to contend. Buffalo are closer to burning everything down again...

Morrow has been great for years. He might be the best d prospect in hockey right now.

I HIGHLY recommend having a look at Alexander Pashin, who's a PPG MHL player who's playing in the KHL at the age of 19.
14 janv. 2022 à 2 h 1
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That's like trading Teuvo because you have Jarvis no?

We need as much elite talent as we can get a hold. You never win a trade like this tbh.


No, 1 Teuvo is a LW, Jarvis a right. 2) Carolina are in their cup window...

Buffalo are already looking like they're going to blow it up again. And as for needing "as much elite talent" as you can get? Did you not just trade Eichel to Vegas?
14 janv. 2022 à 2 h 20
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No, 1 Teuvo is a LW, Jarvis a right. 2) Carolina are in their cup window...

Buffalo are already looking like they're going to blow it up again. And as for needing "as much elite talent" as you can get? Did you not just trade Eichel to Vegas?


Eichel situation needs no explanation. We're building up with what we have. Continuing to ship off our stars will continue to derail any path of success.

It's just the wrong move.
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14 janv. 2022 à 2 h 44
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Except the situation is different. Carolina are a team trying to contend. Buffalo are closer to burning everything down again...

Morrow has been great for years. He might be the best d prospect in hockey right now.

I HIGHLY recommend having a look at Alexander Pashin, who's a PPG MHL player who's playing in the KHL at the age of 19.


The situations are different, but Buffalo doesn't burn everything right now, especially since you don't trade a 21 year old D when you rebuild. We instead need to find the top 4 RDs for Dahlin and Power to move up, rather than trade our top player, again.

I know very well who Pashin is, since I also live in Russia and watch KHL, VHL and MHL, a small winger who still does not know how to prove himself in a better league, he has hardly even played in the KHL yet. He does not move the needle in any way in such a deal.

If Morrow is that good then you should drop him straight to the NHL right before the playoffs.
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14 janv. 2022 à 6 h 45
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Trading Dahlin will set us back. Not something we can even remotely afford doing.


Sure you can afford it. It’s not like you’ll be making the playoffs anytime soon in the next couple years. 5-10 years from now the Sabres might contend for a year, but unless they remove the root problem (the Pegulas) they will never win. So yes, you have time.
14 janv. 2022 à 7 h 16
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The situations are different, but Buffalo doesn't burn everything right now, especially since you don't trade a 21 year old D when you rebuild. We instead need to find the top 4 RDs for Dahlin and Power to move up, rather than trade our top player, again.

I know very well who Pashin is, since I also live in Russia and watch KHL, VHL and MHL, a small winger who still does not know how to prove himself in a better league, he has hardly even played in the KHL yet. He does not move the needle in any way in such a deal.

If Morrow is that good then you should drop him straight to the NHL right before the playoffs.


Morrow is that good, but he wants an education, and won't sign a deal so... can't. But he's openly one of the best prospects among blueliners right now

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Pashin has proven himself in international competition. His loyalty to Ufa will likely see him struggle to transition. Yet, you should know that if you live in Russia. He's got the talent, and you damn well know it if you know a thing about him.
14 janv. 2022 à 7 h 18
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Sure you can afford it. It’s not like you’ll be making the playoffs anytime soon in the next couple years. 5-10 years from now the Sabres might contend for a year, but unless they remove the root problem (the Pegulas) they will never win. So yes, you have time.


To be fair, it's Kim. Terry lets the Bills do football things with no interference. If kim did that with the Sabres, they'd be better off.
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14 janv. 2022 à 7 h 24
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Morrow is something else... he's on pace to be better than Makar.


He's on pace to have a better freshman year than Makar but thats it.
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14 janv. 2022 à 7 h 25
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He's on pace to have a better freshman year than Makar but thats it.


He's already out-developing Makar. I've posted the graphic in this threat. He's already got a better percentage chance of NHL stardom than Makar did, he's already playing better, he's out developing Makar... .
14 janv. 2022 à 7 h 28
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He's already out-developing Makar. I've posted the graphic in this threat. He's already got a better percentage chance of NHL stardom than Makar did, he's already playing better, he's out developing Makar... .


When he out preforms Makar in the NHL you let me know.
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14 janv. 2022 à 7 h 32
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When he out preforms Makar in the NHL you let me know.


Don't you f*cking worry, I won't shut up about it 🙃
14 janv. 2022 à 7 h 38
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Don't you f*cking worry, I won't shut up about it 🙃


If he is so far ahead of Makar why was he drafted 40th OA? Makar was drafted 4th OA. So in a couple months he has gone from a late 2nd rd pick to being better than Makar.
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14 janv. 2022 à 7 h 48
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If he is so far ahead of Makar why was he drafted 40th OA? Makar was drafted 4th OA. So in a couple months he has gone from a late 2nd rd pick to being better than Makar.


No, he always had the potential. He dropped because he didn't play in his draft year due to COVID. He's always had a RIDICULOUS ceiling, but now he's actually starting to look like reaching it soooo... yeah!
14 janv. 2022 à 8 h 1
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If he is so far ahead of Makar why was he drafted 40th OA? Makar was drafted 4th OA. So in a couple months he has gone from a late 2nd rd pick to being better than Makar.


As usual Caniac is misrepresenting the situation. He wasnt a 1st rounder because he chose to play HS hockey instead of go to the USHL as a senior. He played 6 games in the playoffs for USHL team in his draft year. Because of his choice, GMs / scouts were unsure of his point totals and skills. Its like the 7 foot kid who plays against small schools in the middle of no where. Is he really that good or is it because he is playing against inferior talent?

THW write up of Scott: "Drafting a high school player is incredibly risky. Too often, a big prospect will dominate in high school but will then struggle at the next level facing opponents of equal size and skill. Two recent examples are Mark Jankowski, taken in the first round by the Calgary Flames in 2012, and Casey Mittelstadt, drafted by the Buffalo Sabres in the first round of 2017. Both looked promising coming out of high school but have so far failed to live up their draft-day hype....

However, Morrow is still very clearly a high school player benefiting from a larger frame than his competition. Like many young defenders, his defensive game is lacking, especially his awareness. He loves to go in for the pinch and is regularly one of the last defenders to re-enter the defensive zone, which puts his team at a disadvantage if he misses the play. He also can default into a pass-first mentality, which creates unnecessary turnovers. Although he regularly appeared to be one of the best players on the ice, given that much of his competition was smaller and younger than him, that shouldn’t be weighted too heavily in terms of his skill."

https://thehockeywriters.com/scott-morrow-2021-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

only dobber and one THW writer had him as a first rounder. If he had went to the USHL, he could have been an early first round pick. The Canes may be glad he didnt.
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14 janv. 2022 à 9 h 40
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Dahlin is untouchable, the end.
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14 janv. 2022 à 13 h 53
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No, he always had the potential. He dropped because he didn't play in his draft year due to COVID. He's always had a RIDICULOUS ceiling, but now he's actually starting to look like reaching it soooo... yeah!


Wow just wow! Be careful you keep making ridiculous claims like this and no one is going to take anything you say seriously.
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14 janv. 2022 à 14 h 0
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Wow just wow! Be careful you keep making ridiculous claims like this and no one is going to take anything you say seriously.


What would you say the price is for Morrow. I liked him as a late first pick in his draft year and NJ's prospect pool on the right side is pretty empty.
 
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