Nope from Isles.

The Isles need Dobson more than they need Laine. I'm not a fan of Laine, and tbh I'd rather have Wahlstrom with Barzal because he's the better forward at even strength. I see Laine as a young Mike Hoffman and that's not a good thing. Someone will overpay for Laine and I doubt its the isles.

i like laine but the isles really need puck moving D, can’t afford to move dobson who’s our best one

Can’t see any of those trades happing, if Columbus is going to sell they should go for picks vs another LHD. Can’t see Colorado making that trade, Korpisalo gets a ton of hate because he has a horrid defence in front of him. NYI isn’t trading Dobson, they have a very old d core with Green and Chara, they’ll need some youth to step up to replace them very soon, not to mention it’s an inter division trade.

Also not sure any of the 3 teams acquiring said player from Columbus can afford the players full cap hit.

Avs easily decline. They are trading a good prospect ready to turn pro for a back up goalie when the avs have 2 healthy guys right now

Dobson has turned it on big time lately and is looking like our star defenseman of the future. He's not going anywhere. I'd take the risk on Laine, but his value is not at Dobson.

understandable. Jackets just need some sort of high quality defenseman that has a defensive side, at least more than Gavrikov only. And I'd just wonder who'd take on Laine since I don't see him being columbus much longer, whether it's trade or Offer Sheet. Offense heavy guy that doesn't have much opportunity where he is at now compared to playing with someone as skillful as Barzal.

let's just hope Laine's future wife isn't psychotic too lol

better trade him before he settles down with someone haha

I guess. Just not many other teams I see that need goalie depth/rental starter in case of injury for a team desperate for playoff success. Theoretically if Byram was healthy and not currently having a unknown future, with him, Girard, Cale, Toews, that would make Helleson a 5th D if yall don't have Murray/JJ/EJ in the future. Don't know how that'd work going on or if he'd want that either.

I'd be willing to take the risk on Laine but only at a low cost just to see if he's worth it. Like the most I'd do is Bode Wilde and a 2nd, with the hopes CBJ would also be willing to take on Palmieri.

would need way more than that. Palmieri is eugh, Bode is already a trouble in the media, and remember, even if Laine doesn't want to stay, he's an RFA. Unless he December sits himself, you're gonna get RFA contract draft pick compensation, especially with how much his salary could be.

Not sure why my earlier comment was deleted but COL isnt doing that. Goalies dont have that type of value especially as a rental

Korpisalo is not even a good goalie:
-6.1GSAx this year
-13.8GSAx in 20-21
-7.3GSAx in 19-20
-10.8GSAx in 18-19
-9.2GSAx in 17-18

Thats one of the worst track records in the league. You have to go back to 16-17 to find the most recent season hes been a positive GSAx goalie when he was at +0.8GSAx

He’s a pending ufa, he’s not getting a 3rd round pick plus one of a teams top prospect. He’s not a high end goalie, he’s a back up and really no better than Francouz

Value is too high and the need is not there for that type of sub par back up

the most I'd do is a 2023 1st (top 10 protected) and Bolduc considering it's very likely Laine will underperform on his next contract (assuming it will be in the 7.5-8 mill x 3 range)

Hes definitely worse than Francouz

objectively he is, but I just was being neutral in claiming Frankie a clear cut upgrade bc really he hasnt had much to go on wiht him over the past 2 years bc of his injuries. We know what Frankie is on the Avs, just wasnt trying to dunk on Korpi too much

ok I understand that but keep in mind if he leaves your team and takes that deal you get anywhere from a 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 2 1sts, 1 2nd 1 3rd. At that point the Jackets should just let him walk if they're not getting a player worth that much.

I mean hey it's the best this year than previous and their defense is pretty **** rn, just wondering how korpisalo would do in front of a Top 3 defense like Colorado. Considering all the Avs goalies have negative GSAx this year idk how to determine that

Hes actually worse this year if you look at GSAx/GP. Hes on pace for -15.5GSAx if he plays the same amount of games as last season (33)

GSAx already accounts for quality of scoring chances so playing in front of a bad D core doesnt really have an effect on that (at least in theory, its possible that the xG model is flawed but that would still affect all goalies the same unless CBJ/COL is doing something specific defensively that is misrepresented by the xG model. But imo thats pretty unlikely)

Avs goalies have not been good this year. Johansson was just straight up garbage but Kuemper has been slacking too. Francouz has only played 3 games so ill hold off on judgement until he plays a bit more but Korpisalo is just not an upgrade on either of them based on career numbers and 21-22 numbers

Yeah obviously GSAx isn't going to calculate everything which is why I don't favorite it too much but also don't ignore it. But if you want a prime example and idk maybe I can get your opinion on this since it hits home.

Grubauer...

Gru has just been worse this year. Goaltending is the most volatile position from year to year by a landslide. He was good last year but hes been bad this year, I havent watched every SEA game but even by the eye test hes been much worse from what ive seen. There are very few goalies who perform well every single season, imo in general if a goalie has had a good GSAx overall for the last couple years I would consider them to at least have the ability to be a good goalie right now, even if they are not playing well currently. But for goalies who have been consistently in the negatives in recent years then its probably very unlikely they will bounce back

Overall I think GSAx does a good job of correcting for quality of scoring chances. On average I think even if the xG model is flawed the errors will be distributed evenly between all goalies so GSAx relative to each other should still be a pretty good indication of who has played better. There are many goalies with high GSAx who play on below average defensive teams (WPG is 5th last in xGA/60, Hellebuyck is at +0.453GSAx/60) and there are also many goalies with a low GSAx who play on good defensive teams (SEA is 9th in xGA/60, Gru is at -1.035GSAx/60)

Unlike most of the people commenting im a big laine fan. I think he can be a consistent 35 goal scorer playing with a great playmaking center. But i wouldnt move dobson for him. At this point after a couple of bad seasons and not progressing defensively i would only move quantity, not great quality, and i think thats all hes gonna get until he turns things around. A 1 trick pony that cant perform that trick so well ismt going to get a massive return.