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TDL Whats Dermotts Value

Créé par: RIP_RICK_RYPIEN
Date de création initiale: 11 janv. 2022
Publié: 11 janv. 2022
Équipe: 2021-22 Canucks de Vancouver
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Kulak, Brett
MTL
  1. 2023 5e round pick (VAN)
2.
VAN
  1. 2023 4e round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Hamonic, Travis
Détails additionnels:
anywhere
3.
VAN
  1. Dermott, Travis
TOR
  1. Di Giuseppe, Phillip
  2. Chiasson, Alex
  3. 2022 5e round pick (VAN)
Rachats de contrats
  • Braden Holtby: 500 000 $
  • Jake Virtanen: 50 000 $
Frais appliqués
  • Roberto Luongo: 3 035 212 $
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2581 500 000 $80 335 659 $648 780 $2 550 000 $1 164 341 $
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Miller, J.T.
5 250 000 $
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7 350 000 $
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5 875 000 $
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Garland, Conor
4 950 000 $
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UFA - 5
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Horvat, Bo
5 500 000 $
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Höglander, Nils
891 667 $
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Pearson, Tanner
3 250 000 $
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Dickinson, Jason
2 650 000 $
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Podkolzin, Vasily
925 000 $
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Motte, Tyler
1 225 000 $
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Sutter, Brandon
1 125 000 $
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750 000 $
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Highmore, Matthew
725 000 $
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Hughes, Quinn
7 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 6
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Myers, Tyler
6 000 000 $
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NTC
UFA - 3
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Demko, Thatcher
5 000 000 $
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UFA - 5
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Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
7 260 000 $
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UFA - 6
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Dermott, Travis
1 500 000 $
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Halák, Jaroslav
1 500 000 $
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NMC
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Kulak, Brett
925 000 $
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UFA - 1
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Schenn, Luke
850 000 $
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UFA - 2
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Juulsen, Noah
750 000 $
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UFA - 1
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Poolman, Tucker
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
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Ferland, Micheal
3 500 000 $
AG, AD
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UFA - 2
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Martin, Spencer
800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Keeper, Brady
762 500 $
DD
UFA - 2
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Burroughs, Kyle
750 000 $ (0 $)
DG/DD
UFA - 2
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Hunt, Brad
800 000 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 1
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Rempal, Sheldon
750 000 $ (0 $)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Sautner, Ashton
750 000 $ (0 $)
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UFA - 1
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Brisebois, Guillaume
750 000 $ (0 $)
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11 janv. à 19 h 1
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Quoting: Campabee
TBH Kulak and Dermott are very similar players. So whatever you would pay to acquire Kulak is likely what you would pay for Dermott.


Except Dermott is younger, has a better contract and is under 3 years of term opposed to a rental. Trying to call them a comparable price would be dumb.
11 janv. à 19 h 16
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Except Dermott is younger, has a better contract and is under 3 years of term opposed to a rental. Trying to call them a comparable price would be dumb.


We aren't talking about a 22 yo vs a 28 yo we are talking about a 25 vs 28 yo. 3 years difference in age, similar numbers throughout the entire careers, sure you get 2 years for team control but that isn't worth much. Both their career highs are 17 points, not exactly worth writing home about. They have both hit their ceilings and are both decent depth D men but not much more than that. They also have similar contracts (except Kulak's ends this season) so if Kulak is worth a 4th Dermott gets a 3rd, if Kulak gets a 5th Dermott gets a 4th. Like I said similar value.
11 janv. à 19 h 17
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Quoting: Campabee
We aren't talking about a 22 yo vs a 28 yo we are talking about a 25 vs 28 yo. 3 years difference in age, similar numbers throughout the entire careers, sure you get 2 years for team control but that isn't worth much. Both their career highs are 17 points, not exactly worth writing home about. They have both hit their ceilings and are both decent depth D men but not much more than that. They also have similar contracts (except Kulak's ends this season) so if Kulak is worth a 4th Dermott gets a 3rd, if Kulak gets a 5th Dermott gets a 4th. Like I said similar value.


You might be the only person who will try and tell someone that team control isn't worth much. Its simply a completely undefendable statement when you look at what brings value in trades.
11 janv. à 19 h 21
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Quoting: Byrr
You might be the only person who will try and tell someone that team control isn't worth much. Its simply a completely undefendable statement when you look at what brings value in trades.


I didn't say it didn't have value, if you were talking about a 22 yo vs a 28 yo then sure it carries much more value but at 25 those 2 years of team control only bumps his value up slightly. I know you don't want to hear this since you are a Leafs fan but truth of the matter is his value is only slightly more than Kulak
11 janv. à 19 h 34
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I didn't say it didn't have value, if you were talking about a 22 yo vs a 28 yo then sure it carries much more value but at 25 those 2 years of team control only bumps his value up slightly. I know you don't want to hear this since you are a Leafs fan but truth of the matter is his value is only slightly more than Kulak


2 years of term isn't slight value. You'd have a hard time finding trades made to confirm that view.
11 janv. à 19 h 42
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Quoting: Nate
Jokes aside, I dont think we are looking to moveDermott. Young, local guy that plays both sides. Hes getting more physical and hes underratedly strong. If we were looking to move him, maybe a 3rd or a 4th?


yea was thinking about that
he still has potential i think, but wont live up to it in Toronto as he isn't getting the playing time. Has more opportunity in van
Quoting: Byrr
I'd probably expect a 2nd for him. I look at Zadorov's trade to Calgary in the offseason as a comparable. A young 3rd pairing defenseman who fetched a 3rd round pick. Dermott is younger, on a better contract and has at the very least 2 seasons term remaining in the coming offseason so it elevates to a 2nd.


4th at most
11 janv. à 19 h 46
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Quoting: RIP_RICK_RYPIEN
4th at most


Show me your comparables for a young defenseman, with 3 years term and a positive on ice impact going for a 4th. Like Campabee pointed out above, Kulak and Dermott are much the same player. Only Dermott has more time to get beter and is under team control while doing it. You might get a rental on Kulak for a 4th but 3 years of Dermott is going to cost you a 2nd.

For a 4th round pick you get 1 year of guys like Kurtis MacDermid (Seattle to Colorado trade), a rental on Patrik Nemeth (Detroit to Colorado at last seasons deadline)
11 janv. à 19 h 59
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Quoting: Byrr
Show me your comparables for a young defenseman, with 3 years term and a positive on ice impact going for a 4th. Like Campabee pointed out above, Kulak and Dermott are much the same player. Only Dermott has more time to get beter and is under team control while doing it. You might get a rental on Kulak for a 4th but 3 years of Dermott is going to cost you a 2nd.

For a 4th round pick you get 1 year of guys like Kurtis MacDermid (Seattle to Colorado trade), a rental on Patrik Nemeth (Detroit to Colorado at last seasons deadline)


in no world are leafs going to get a 2nd for dermott
3rd at most
like I said he has an upside, but it is not going to be reached on the leafs as he is not getting the playtime
11 janv. à 20 h 0
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in no world are leafs going to get a 2nd for dermott
3rd at most
like I said he has an upside, but it is not going to be reached on the leafs as he is not getting the playtime


and again I say show me the comparables. I think your value of what a 3rd or 4th round pick is whats off. I've shown you what kind of defensemen and term you get for a 4th round pick.

And you aren't even considering what you are saying. He has an upside he's not going to reach on the Leafs ... thats what you are trading for. Thats what trading for term is with an RFA and where you find its value.
11 janv. à 20 h 46
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Quoting: Byrr
and again I say show me the comparables. I think your value of what a 3rd or 4th round pick is whats off. I've shown you what kind of defensemen and term you get for a 4th round pick.

And you aren't even considering what you are saying. He has an upside he's not going to reach on the Leafs ... thats what you are trading for. Thats what trading for term is with an RFA and where you find its value.


Right now he isnt worth more than a 3rd.
Zadarov was traded for a 3rd. One of your comparables
11 janv. à 20 h 48
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Right now he isnt worth more than a 3rd.
Zadarov was traded for a 3rd. One of your comparables


With 1 year left on his term. For more than twice the amount of team control, 2 and a half years of term on Dermott, you get to pay 1 round lower. Thats a good comparable for you.
11 janv. à 22 h 52
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With 1 year left on his term. For more than twice the amount of team control, 2 and a half years of term on Dermott, you get to pay 1 round lower. Thats a good comparable for you.


for the better player also lol
Leafs will NEVER get a 2nd for dermott bruv
11 janv. à 23 h 3
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for the better player also lol
Leafs will NEVER get a 2nd for dermott bruv


Dermott's not going to be traded to start with. I'm confident he'd get a 2nd if he was though.
 
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