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TDL Whats Dermotts Value

Créé par: RIP_RICK_RYPIEN
Date de création initiale: 11 janv. 2022
Publié: 11 janv. 2022
Équipe: 2021-22 Canucks de Vancouver
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1.
VAN
  1. Kulak, Brett
MTL
  1. 2023 5e round pick (VAN)
2.
VAN
  1. 2023 4e round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Hamonic, Travis
Détails additionnels:
anywhere
3.
VAN
  1. Dermott, Travis
TOR
  1. Di Giuseppe, Phillip
  2. Chiasson, Alex
  3. 2022 5e round pick (VAN)
Rachats de contrats
  • Braden Holtby: 500 000 $
  • Jake Virtanen: 50 000 $
Frais appliqués
  • Roberto Luongo: 3 035 212 $
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2581 500 000 $80 335 659 $648 780 $2 550 000 $1 164 341 $
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Miller, J.T.
5 250 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
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Pettersson, Elias
7 350 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 3
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Boeser, Brock
5 875 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
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Garland, Conor
4 950 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
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Horvat, Bo
5 500 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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Höglander, Nils
891 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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Pearson, Tanner
3 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 3
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Dickinson, Jason
2 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
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Podkolzin, Vasily
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 3
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Motte, Tyler
1 225 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Sutter, Brandon
1 125 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
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Petan, Nicolas
750 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Lammikko, Juho
750 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
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Dowling, Justin
750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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Highmore, Matthew
725 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Hughes, Quinn
7 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 6
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Myers, Tyler
6 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
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Demko, Thatcher
5 000 000 $
G
UFA - 5
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Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
7 260 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
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Dermott, Travis
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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Halák, Jaroslav
1 500 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 1
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Kulak, Brett
925 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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Schenn, Luke
850 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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Juulsen, Noah
750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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Poolman, Tucker
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Ferland, Micheal
3 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Martin, Spencer
800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Keeper, Brady
762 500 $
DD
UFA - 2
Équipe de réserve
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Burroughs, Kyle
750 000 $ (0 $)
DG/DD
UFA - 2
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Hunt, Brad
800 000 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 1
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Rempal, Sheldon
750 000 $ (0 $)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Sautner, Ashton
750 000 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 1
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Brisebois, Guillaume
750 000 $ (0 $)
DG
RFA - 1

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11 janv. à 17 h 41
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Probably Garland 1 for 1, in my completely unbiased opinion
11 janv. à 17 h 42
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Probably Garland 1 for 1, in my completely unbiased opinion


Jokes aside, I dont think we are looking to moveDermott. Young, local guy that plays both sides. Hes getting more physical and hes underratedly strong. If we were looking to move him, maybe a 3rd or a 4th?
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11 janv. à 17 h 43
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I'd probably expect a 2nd for him. I look at Zadorov's trade to Calgary in the offseason as a comparable. A young 3rd pairing defenseman who fetched a 3rd round pick. Dermott is younger, on a better contract and has at the very least 2 seasons term remaining in the coming offseason so it elevates to a 2nd.
11 janv. à 17 h 43
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3rd rounder + Joni Jurmo
11 janv. à 17 h 47
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MTL would ask a 3rd for Kulak, if they can’t get that than a 4th, if they can’t get a 4th they keep him
11 janv. à 18 h 0
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MTL would ask a 3rd for Kulak, if they can’t get that than a 4th, if they can’t get a 4th they keep him


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11 janv. à 18 h 0
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I'd probably expect a 2nd for him. I look at Zadorov's trade to Calgary in the offseason as a comparable. A young 3rd pairing defenseman who fetched a 3rd round pick. Dermott is younger, on a better contract and has at the very least 2 seasons term remaining in the coming offseason so it elevates to a 2nd.


lmfao
11 janv. à 18 h 1
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3rd rounder + Joni Jurmo


just the 3rd
11 janv. à 18 h 1
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Quoting: Nate
Jokes aside, I dont think we are looking to moveDermott. Young, local guy that plays both sides. Hes getting more physical and hes underratedly strong. If we were looking to move him, maybe a 3rd or a 4th?


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11 janv. à 18 h 2
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Quoting: Byrr
I'd probably expect a 2nd for him. I look at Zadorov's trade to Calgary in the offseason as a comparable. A young 3rd pairing defenseman who fetched a 3rd round pick. Dermott is younger, on a better contract and has at the very least 2 seasons term remaining in the coming offseason so it elevates to a 2nd.


Absolutely not, Zadorov is a terrible comparison. A 4th rounder is enough for Dermott
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11 janv. à 18 h 10
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Absolutely not, Zadorov is a terrible comparison. A 4th rounder is enough for Dermott


How so? Hell, Dermott's numbers and defensive impacts are even better than Zadorov. The simple fact is when you are trading for RFAs who show they belong in the NHL, it costs.
11 janv. à 18 h 11
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How so? Hell, Dermott's numbers and defensive impacts are even better than Zadorov. The simple fact is when you are trading for RFAs who show they belong in the NHL, it costs.


Doesn't mean Zadorov is a good trade comparable. Nobody is giving up a 3rd for Dermott right now
11 janv. à 18 h 12
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Doesn't mean Zadorov is a good trade comparable. Nobody is giving up a 3rd for Dermott right now


Ok if you won't tell us why Zadorov isn't a good comparable then by all means, who do you see as comparables?
11 janv. à 18 h 17
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A fifth rounder a most
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11 janv. à 18 h 27
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Ok if you won't tell us why Zadorov isn't a good comparable then by all means, who do you see as comparables?


Hmm, maybe Erik Gudbranson? He was being passed around the past couple of seasons for late round picks
11 janv. à 18 h 37
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Hmm, maybe Erik Gudbranson? He was being passed around the past couple of seasons for late round picks


Except Dermott has much better numbers than Gudbranson and a much much better defensive impact(see not negative). Not to mention he's a fraction of Gudbranson's age and you are trading for 3 years of his term. In other words, not in any way a comparable for Dermott.
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11 janv. à 18 h 38
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Except Dermott has much better numbers than Gudbranson and a much much better defensive impact(see not negative). Not to mention he's a fraction of Gudbranson's age and you are trading for 3 years of his term. In other words, not in any way a comparable for Dermott.


How about better than Gudbranson this season?
11 janv. à 18 h 39
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How about better than Gudbranson this season?


Has Gudbranson been traded this season?
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11 janv. à 18 h 42
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Has Gudbranson been traded this season?


No but he's playing well for Calgary it sounds like
11 janv. à 18 h 43
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No but he's playing well for Calgary it sounds like


and so thats not the guy you are trying to compare him to. You are trying to compare a defenseman who largely had negative impacts on his team earning 4 mil aav. Again, in no fashion a comparable to a young, positive impact defenseman with 3 years term remaining on a good contract.
11 janv. à 18 h 48
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and so thats not the guy you are trying to compare him to. You are trying to compare a defenseman who largely had negative impacts on his team earning 4 mil aav. Again, in no fashion a comparable to a young, positive impact defenseman with 3 years term remaining on a good contract.


Dermott hasn't been talked about in a terribly positive manner in the past couple of seasons
11 janv. à 18 h 51
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Dermott hasn't been talked about in a terribly positive manner in the past couple of seasons


Thats nice. His numbers have been great, a positive impact on the ice isn't really debatable. Some names for comparables from analytical models for you: Cal Foote in Tampa, Nick Holden in Ottawa, Colin Miller in Buffalo, Nick Leddy and Filip Hronek in Detroit.

Or here, you're a Vancouver fan so: Travis Dermott is having as much of an impact this season as Luke Schenn is in Vancouver. (while playing 3rd pairing compared to the 1st pairing minutes Schenn is currently getting). The difference? Dermott is younger and under team control for longer.
11 janv. à 18 h 58
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Thats nice. His numbers have been great, a positive impact on the ice isn't really debatable. Some names for comparables from analytical models for you: Cal Foote in Tampa, Nick Holden in Ottawa, Colin Miller in Buffalo, Nick Leddy and Filip Hronek in Detroit.


Leddy and Hronek are both better than Dermott, I'm quite surprised you've brought them both up as comparables
11 janv. à 18 h 58
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Leddy and Hronek are both better than Dermott, I'm quite surprised you've brought them both up as comparables


The analytic models disagree.

Or here, you're a Vancouver fan so: Travis Dermott is having as much of an impact this season as Luke Schenn is in Vancouver. (while playing 3rd pairing compared to the 1st pairing minutes Schenn is currently getting). The difference? Dermott is younger and under team control for longer.
11 janv. à 19 h 0
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TBH Kulak and Dermott are very similar players. So whatever you would pay to acquire Kulak is likely what you would pay for Dermott.
 
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