holland just did a press conference. hes not giving up picks or prospects for rentals.
so oilers decline

So basically he's not willing to strengthen their team?

Seems like he really wants to get rid off McDavid...I can't believe he wants to stay there forever if they don't fight for the cup and rather soon.

MDZ is more likely to be claimed off waivers next year because he'll have 1 year left instead of 2.

In that case, Ottawa will not be spending a pick and a goalie prospect just to get rid of him.


Try again.

If that's the kind of value the Ducks can get for Rakell, they should just trade him themselves instead of trading for Laine.

I don't think anyone takes him off waivers, he sucks. But I suppose a year in AHL won't be off the cards either.

I think Rakell would net a first and a prospect. Koskinen dump and trading for Korpisalo bring another second.

Just like the idea of Milano-Zegras-Laine line. ANA doesn't have actual snipers so this line could be lethal.

Comtois is a sniper (he hasn't been as successful this season, but he was injured and he looked better to me the last few games since returning) and I haven't given up on him. Perreault is expected to play in the NHL full-time next season and it's also likely he plays on exactly that line. Pastujov is a sniper as well, but it'll take a while until he plays in the NHL. The Ducks just shouldn't be giving up high picks, prospects and young roster players. I am not a big fan of Laine's game and this trade also creates a hole at C if Getzy retires.

I'd argue Comtois is more a power forward, at least his goal amounts both in juniors and in NHL don't make him look like a sniper, but rather a power forward. His PIMs would also suggest that.

McTavish will fill the hole Getzlaf leaves.

The other prospects are still coming, but I think they need an actual sniper now. Someone who could score 40 goals a year easily. Don't think there's a single player in Ducks system currently or in the future that would hit such figures, but Laine certainly could.

They don't lose anything groundbreaking here imo.

I mean, I think it's a lot coming from Edmonton, but if the ask for Laine is Rakell+Lundy+1st, do ittttttt. After that, I don't really care who gets what

I agree with him issue on this team is still depth why trade your prospects who will be the ones to fill those roles for a player who will be here a couple months and leave.

I would go for a hockey trade like he said where you get a player under control for more that a couple months.

Yes, I accept. My Ducklings and I rarely disagree, but if you want Rakell, Lundy and a 1st, you got it!

Yeah, I mean, prospects are for peasants, but you're 100% right...blowing your wad on a rental is rarely successful.

He's screwed the cap with overpaying Nurse and having negotiations with both Pulju and Yamamoto this summer. He can't afford any hockey trades, and the core there is still far too weak to actually contend.

I'm just not the fan of making things harder than they should be. With one or two right, even short term additions, they could actually challenge for something.

Well that really depends on getting assets from Rakell too. Imo Oilers is a ideal trade partner in this regard.

If it was just Laine trade then I'd require more as CBJ, but to be fair he's only 1,5 years from becoming UFA so they can't risk losing him either. Seems rather unlikely he'd commit long term in Columbus.

This trade is terrible for Edmonton.

Korpisalo < Koskinen
Rakell <<< Savoie + 1st + 2nd

Irrespective of his comment that he's not trading the 1st unless it's in the 25 range, they would be stupid to make this deal.

While I agree jarmo is giving up too quickly, I don’t necessarily think that Larson is doing a poor job this year. I think he is still figuring out how to be an nhl level head coach while teaching a very young very raw roster. Roslovic should get the same treatment domi has received this year. In turn, should be time spent on the wing while showing development as a two way player with less responsibility. Once he gets his confidence back and the coach trusts him more, then he can return to the center position.

I know we are weak at center but keeping him there while he’s barely holding on is a very poor way to develop this player into a center. Move pieces for another middle 6 center to fill the temporary void and use them as a teacher/ mentor the younger guys.

Yeah, that's fair. IMO, Rakell *could* potentially have the value of a 1st+meh prospect, especially at 50% retained, but I think it's far more likely that it'd be a 2nd+B prospect.

You clearly are not a fan of Korpisalo

Who would be? He's been well below average 4 of the most recent 5 years. One year he was about average, that's it. We know what he is: a minor league goalie.

But the worst part of the trade is actually your valuation of Rakell. That's laughable.

Half retained Rakell nets a B- prospect and a 1st imo. Dumping Koskinen and getting a cheaper replacement costs EDM a second.

If Savoie is too good a prospect for you, feel free to suggest a better one suitable for such valuation.

Putting the goalies aside, let's look at the rest of the deal.

Between this year and last, Rakell is 80, 17-27-44. Hardly a world-beater, there were 140 forwards who had more goals & points than Rakell over the past 1.5 seasons. He's a pending UFA and will be 29 around the time the playoffs start.

On the other side you have Carter Savoie, a 19 year old sophomore at University of Denver (NCHC), who is exceeding even Montreal rookie Cole Caufield's scoring rates in the NCAA.

Draft +1 NHLe
Savoie: 19-11-30
Caufield: 14-13-27

Draft +2 NHLe
Savoie: 27-22-49
Caufield: 26-20-46

Then there's Edmonton's 1st round pick, which is currently #14 overall, subject to lottery placement.

And to cap it off, you felt that Edmonton should chip in yet another high pick, their 2023 2nd rounder.

Serious question: are you actively trolling Oilers fans, or do you just not understand player values very well?

Can definitely be argued for. I see him as a mix between Power Forward and Sniper.

I hope he does. But I don't know if he'll be able to do that right away (he's NHL-ready at this point, but I don't want to place that much pressure on a 19-year-old).

As I said, not a huge Laine fan. I just haven't liked what I've seen from him in the last two years. But he played well before and I think he'll get back to his old self sometime. I wouldn't say he could score 40 easily. Before agreeing with that, I'd want to see he play the way he once did in Winnipeg. If so, then yes, he could score 40 pretty easily when playing with good linemates. McTavish and Perreault both have the potential score 40 sometime in their career.

Nothing groundbreaking, no. Just don't like the idea of giving up a 1st at this point in time.



The trade is likely very reasonable. I just really want to keep this year's 1st.



Love my prospects They're among my favorite parts of Hockey. It's fun to try and predict what players could turn out to be and it's fun to know some players years before they ever become quality NHLers

Yeah, I know...I love our prospects too...

I guess what I mean by it, is that if you've got your core in place, have 2 of the best players in the NHL (McDavid/Drai), and you're like "Nahhh, I know we have holes, but I'm banking that our prospects will fill the holes 2-3 years from now when they potentially develop into reasonably useful pieces", then I think you're doing it wrong...

Now, that being said, chasing pending UFA's that you can't afford to re-sign is a fools game...go and get someone that you've got control over for another year or two, and overpay for them.

Speaking of prospects...just claimed Lucas Elvenes from VGK

Also currently working on my Top 64 2022 Draft Rankings...

That's true. I didn't read properly and didn't see which exact comment you answered. My bad.

When the Ducks look to be competitive long-term, I might be able to mentally compensate trading a prospect😂