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Chychrun to St Louis

Créé par: insaneDane09
Date de création initiale: 7 janv. 2022
Publié: 7 janv. 2022
Équipe: 2021-22 Blues de St-Louis
Transactions
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STL
  1. Chychrun, Jakob
ARI
  1. Scandella, Marco
  2. Perunovich, Scott
  3. Kostin, Klim
  4. 2022 1e round pick (STL)
  5. 2023 2e round pick (STL)
Détails additionnels:
(Scandella at this point is a dump but was included to make the cap work)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $80 943 849 $306 349 $1 250 000 $556 151 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Saad, Brandon
4 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 5
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O'Reilly, Ryan
7 500 000 $
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UFA - 2
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Perron, David
4 000 000 $
AD, AG
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UFA - 1
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Kyrou, Jordan
2 800 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
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Thomas, Robert
2 800 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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Tarasenko, Vladimir
7 500 000 $
AD
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UFA - 2
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Schenn, Brayden
6 500 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 7
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Barbashev, Ivan
2 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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Buchnevich, Pavel
5 800 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
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Brown, Logan
750 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
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Bozak, Tyler
750 000 $
C, AD
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UFA - 1
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Sundqvist, Oskar
2 750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Chychrun, Jakob
4 600 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
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Parayko, Colton
5 500 000 $
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UFA - 1
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Binnington, Jordan
6 000 000 $
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Krug, Torey
6 500 000 $
DG
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Faulk, Justin
6 500 000 $
DD
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UFA - 6
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Husso, Ville
750 000 $
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UFA - 1
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Mikkola, Niko
787 500 $
DG
UFA - 1
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Bortuzzo, Robert
1 375 000 $
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UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Walman, Jake
725 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
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Neal, James
750 000 $ (0 $)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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Joshua, Dakota
750 000 $ (0 $)
C
UFA - 1
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Rosén, Calle
750 000 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 1

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7 janv. à 11 h 23
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Less a dump and more has zero value
7 janv. à 11 h 27
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Quoting: xercuses
Less a dump and more has zero value


Yeah, Scandella has a bit of value, but this is wayyyyyy more quantity than quality. Yotes already have a ton of picks coming up. They need high end youngsters in return, and Kostin/Perunovich ain't it.
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7 janv. à 11 h 31
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Don't think yotes do this
7 janv. à 11 h 32
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Yikes

What do people not understand about "Eichel-like return".....?
7 janv. à 12 h 12
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Quoting: xercuses
Less a dump and more has zero value


a dump is zero or lesser value lol. I think the other assets included make up for that IMO. I can see this trade not quite meeting the bar but it can't be far off. And if it is, no one is trading for Chychrun. Bill may be asking for "Eichel-like" return, but he's not getting it, Chychrun isn't that good.
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7 janv. à 12 h 16
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Yeah, Scandella has a bit of value, but this is wayyyyyy more quantity than quality. Yotes already have a ton of picks coming up. They need high end youngsters in return, and Kostin/Perunovich ain't it.


I can see your point here but Bill Armstrong became a GM in this league due to his amazing scouting/drafting skills with the Blues. He might value picks (or picks that he's made like Perunovich and Kostin btw) more than just other orgs players themselves. I could be wrong but I think he's clearly set a bar for valuing picks. This is how tanking works btw. You load up on picks knowing that most will fail but with more picks you have a high chance to succeed and get a few winners and build a team around them later.
7 janv. à 12 h 18
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Yikes

What do people not understand about "Eichel-like return".....?


I fully understand it. 1) this isn't far from it and 2) Chychrun isn't Eichel. He's good but not that good. Leaking something like that is used to hike up the value, but at the end of the day hey ain't getting that. Look at Eichel's leaked asking price and then now much he actually went for. The same will happen if/when Chychrun gets traded. This is a very fair deal for both sides IMO.
7 janv. à 12 h 42
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Quoting: insaneDane09
I can see your point here but Bill Armstrong became a GM in this league due to his amazing scouting/drafting skills with the Blues. He might value picks (or picks that he's made like Perunovich and Kostin btw) more than just other orgs players themselves. I could be wrong but I think he's clearly set a bar for valuing picks. This is how tanking works btw. You load up on picks knowing that most will fail but with more picks you have a high chance to succeed and get a few winners and build a team around them later.


I understand how tanking works, but throwing darts at a board in the dark, and acquiring actual high-end prospects isn't the same thing. Kostin's entire career to date (KHL/AHL/NHL) has shown that he's likely a 3rd liner going forward at best. Perunovich is a offence-only dman, which, as fun as that is, is a pretty easy thing to acquire. Heck, I'm sure Edmonton would toss them Tyson Barrie for a bag of pucks.
7 janv. à 13 h 57
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Quoting: insaneDane09
I fully understand it. 1) this isn't far from it and 2) Chychrun isn't Eichel. He's good but not that good. Leaking something like that is used to hike up the value, but at the end of the day hey ain't getting that. Look at Eichel's leaked asking price and then now much he actually went for. The same will happen if/when Chychrun gets traded. This is a very fair deal for both sides IMO.


LOL you clearly do not fully understand it, at all.

This is a ridiculous trade for ARZ - a late 1st, a very late 2nd, a cap dump, a mediocre D prospect and Kostin....yikes.
7 janv. à 14 h 37
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Quoting: Datsyukian
LOL you clearly do not fully understand it, at all.

This is a ridiculous trade for ARZ - a late 1st, a very late 2nd, a cap dump, a mediocre D prospect and Kostin....yikes.


A "mediocre" D prospect? LMFAO ok, you clearly know what you're talking about my bad. If that's your stance on Perunovich then there's not reasonable discussion to be had here.
7 janv. à 14 h 43
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I understand how tanking works, but throwing darts at a board in the dark, and acquiring actual high-end prospects isn't the same thing. Kostin's entire career to date (KHL/AHL/NHL) has shown that he's likely a 3rd liner going forward at best. Perunovich is a offence-only dman, which, as fun as that is, is a pretty easy thing to acquire. Heck, I'm sure Edmonton would toss them Tyson Barrie for a bag of pucks.


Perunovich being an offensive dman isn't necessarily a bad thing. That guy has won and succeeded at every level. He's also a year removed from being the Hobey Baker winner. He was leading the AHL with 20 points in 12 games this year before being called up. I'd like you to tell me how many offensive defenseman can score like that. He's a very good prospect. You can't find guys that good just anywhere. I am very confident he'll excel after getting a some more games under his belt in the NHL. I see your point with Kostin but who goes in his place that makes it more worth it? Bolduc? Neighbors? Brown? I picked Kostin because its a guy Bill drafted while with the Blues and he's still young with some potential upside although at this point I agree he looks like a bottom sixer.

Lastly,...."I understand how tanking works, but throwing darts at a board in the dark, and acquiring actual high-end prospects isn't the same thing." Are players in the draft not high end prospects lol? I also think Bill would like to have a word about drafting being throwing darts in the dark. His record says otherwise, which is exactly my point. But maybe you're right, maybe he would like to have players already drafted. If you're talking NHL proven young players and not prospects like Thomas/Kyrou though than the Blues simply aren't making this trade. If you're saying former first round picks from the Blues like Bulduc or Neighbors is better than the Blues first than those can easily be one-to-one swaps if that's how Bill sees it. My point is still had that this trade isn't far off.
7 janv. à 15 h 18
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Quoting: insaneDane09
A "mediocre" D prospect? LMFAO ok, you clearly know what you're talking about my bad. If that's your stance on Perunovich then there's not reasonable discussion to be had here.


Chychrun is 5 months older than him....LOLOLOLOL
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7 janv. à 15 h 52
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Chychrun is 5 months older than him....LOLOLOLOL


He stayed in college an extra year trying to get a NC (and probably would've if not for COVID happening right before the playoffs that year) when he probably could've went to the AHL and won a Hobey Baker. He got a season ending injury early last season or he easily would've got some NHL at some point last year. He was red hot in the AHL this year (20 points in 12 games). Ironically, your statement is less of an insult for Perunovich as it is a compliment for Chychrun. Its precisely why all of that other **** was thrown in the proposal. I doesn't mean that Perunovich isn't good. He's been great. It just means he blossomed a little later and he's not Chychrun good (a vast vast majority of even good prospects aren't playing in the NHL at 18 years old), but 23 is not old like you imply in your comment here.
7 janv. à 19 h 14
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Quoting: insaneDane09
He stayed in college an extra year trying to get a NC (and probably would've if not for COVID happening right before the playoffs that year) when he probably could've went to the AHL and won a Hobey Baker. He got a season ending injury early last season or he easily would've got some NHL at some point last year. He was red hot in the AHL this year (20 points in 12 games). Ironically, your statement is less of an insult for Perunovich as it is a compliment for Chychrun. Its precisely why all of that other **** was thrown in the proposal. I doesn't mean that Perunovich isn't good. He's been great. It just means he blossomed a little later and he's not Chychrun good (a vast vast majority of even good prospects aren't playing in the NHL at 18 years old), but 23 is not old like you imply in your comment here.


lol...you still don't see it, huh. Fascinating.
 
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