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Créé par: mm1010

Équipe: 2022-23 Oilers d'Edmonton

Date de création initiale: 6 janv. 2022

Publié: 6 janv. 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

show Campabee how a 10.5 million contract in net does not work for the oilers.
original post https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/541396?post_id=2879349

even with a roster of 20 with AHL and contract minimum they are over the cap.
This doesnt take into account the probably 1Mill in bonus overages. so your at - 3.3 mill
also went low on JP Yamo contracts.

His solution just trade Ceci. well 1st you need a taker then you need to replace another RD
Then let JP and Yamo walk now you are replace 2 RW with wingers who are probably worse.

If a price to EDM trade were to happen im not sold it does. then it has to be with 50% retained.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse	3	4 000 000 $
Yamamoto, Kailer	2	2 000 000 $
McLeod, Ryan	2	1 000 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Benning, Matthew	1	750 000 $
Hutton, Ben	1	750 000 $
Parise, Zach	1	750 000 $
Helm, Darren	1	750 000 $

Transactions

EDM

Lehkonen, Artturi [Droits de RFA]
Price, Carey

Détails additionnels:

Chiarot

MTL

Barrie, Tyson
Bourgault, Xavier [Liste de réserve]
Kassian, Zack
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (EDM)

Détails additionnels:

Turris
Koskinen

2nd conditional if oilers make SCF its a 2023 1st

Rachats de contrats

James Neal: 1 916 667 $
Andrej Sekera: 1 500 000 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Milan Lucic: 750 000 $ (12.5%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	85 751 128 $	896 000 $	2 215 000 $	-3 251 128 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 7	McDavid, Connor 12 500 000 $12 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 4	Puljujärvi, Jesse 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Hyman, Zach 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 6	Draisaitl, Leon 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ C, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Holloway, Dylan 925 000 $925 000 $ (500 000 $$500K) AG, C RFA - 2
Foegele, Warren 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	McLeod, Ryan 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C RFA - 1	Yamamoto, Kailer 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AD RFA - 2
Shore, Devin 850 000 $850 000 $ AG, C, AD UFA - 1	Ryan, Derek 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Tullio, Tyler 823 333 $823 333 $ (15 000 $$15K) AD RFA - 3
Parise, Zach 750 000 $750 000 $ AG UFA - 1		Helm, Darren 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Nurse, Darnell 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 8	Ceci, Cody 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ DD UFA - 3	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 4
Keith, Duncan 5 538 462 $5 538 462 $ DG NMC UFA - 1	Bouchard, Evan 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 1	Smith, Mike 2 200 000 $2 200 000 $ G UFA - 1
Broberg, Philip 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) DG RFA - 2	Benning, Matthew 750 000 $750 000 $ DD UFA - 4
Hutton, Ben 750 000 $750 000 $ DG UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Klefbom, Oscar 4 167 000 $4 167 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1

Équipe de réserve
Konovalov, Ilya 842 500 $842 500 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (82 500 $$82K) G UFA - 1

6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 43

zk97

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trade foegele and you're good
or find a way to move ceci/keith

6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 45

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Quoting: Zuki9797

trade foegele and you're good
or find a way to move ceci/keith

Keith full NMC wont waive.
giving Ceci away for free still leaves you over the cap plus need a RD

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6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 46

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So you'r risking a lottery pick on a goalie who likely isn't playing this season...Is Smith going to carry the Oilers all season?

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6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 47

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Quoting: palhal

So you'r risking a lottery pick on a goalie who likely isn't playing this season...Is Smith going to carry the Oilers all season?

read description someone else trade that I am saying wont work

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6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 49

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Quoting: palhal

So you'r risking a lottery pick on a goalie who likely isn't playing this season...Is Smith going to carry the Oilers all season?

but yes your point is extremely valid. This was if it some how did happen....

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6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 52

palhal

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Quoting: mm1010

read description someone else trade that I am saying wont work

Yea, I don't see it working at all this season. Maybe the off season at 50% retained...maybe. But if I'm the Oilers, I would just go with what you have now, and go into next season with cap. Surely the Oilers can find a competent goalie for 5.25m, instead of Price retained and not giving up any assets.

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6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 53

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It's about the worst thing Edmonton can do. Which unfortunately means Holland will at least consider it quite heavily

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6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 54

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Quoting: palhal

I agree. That was my agreement with original AGM that for there to even be a conversation it would need to be 50% retained

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6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 55

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Quoting: Zuki9797

trade foegele and you're good
or find a way to move ceci/keith

Right, it's not rocket science!

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6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 55

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Quoting: C21

It's about the worst thing Edmonton can do. Which unfortunately means Holland will at least consider it quite heavily

he might consider price... the good news is he would have to get retention as he wouldnt even be able to ice a team next year.

6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 55

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Quoting: mm1010

Keith full NMC wont waive.
giving Ceci away for free still leaves you over the cap plus need a RD

giving ceci away for free gives you 1M in cap space if my math is correct

6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 56

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Habs are rebuilding, I dont see what the big deal is. Retain 50% of Price.

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6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 57

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Quoting: Campabee

Right, it's not rocket science!

giving away either of those players and your still over the cap and need another player to fill hole

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6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 58

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Quoting: Zuki9797

giving ceci away for free gives you 1M in cap space if my math is correct

read description. Oilers will have about 1 million in bonus overages as well.

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6 janv. 2022 à 16 h 59

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Quoting: Zuki9797

giving ceci away for free gives you 1M in cap space if my math is correct

plus you now need another 2RD

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6 janv. 2022 à 17 h 0

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price with no retention? are the habs adding their 1st?

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6 janv. 2022 à 17 h 1

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I'd be shocked if Price was moved without at least some retention. Even the worst gms have to know that contract is a crusher.

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6 janv. 2022 à 17 h 1

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Quoting: DirtyDangle

price with no retention? are the habs adding their 1st?

they probably should be. not my trade showing CAmpabee who orginally did this trade that it doesnt work

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6 janv. 2022 à 17 h 2

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Quoting: mm1010

they probably should be. not my trade showing CAmpabee who orginally did this trade that it doesnt work

yea i could tell by the return.

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6 janv. 2022 à 17 h 25

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Quoting: mm1010

read description. Oilers will have about 1 million in bonus overages as well.

then:

ceci smith yamamoto foegele out, which will free up 6.95M
invest approx 1.7375M into each of their replacements

6 janv. 2022 à 17 h 28

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Quoting: Campabee

Right, it's not rocket science!

in what way does this work? there's no depth on this team at all.

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6 janv. 2022 à 17 h 31

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Quoting: Zuki9797

then:

ceci smith yamamoto foegele out, which will free up 6.95M
invest approx 1.7375M into each of their replacements

probably just add ceci to the price trade. no one else will want him. still leave the oilers with no depth, unable to qualify lehky.

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6 janv. 2022 à 17 h 32

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Quoting: Zuki9797

then:

ceci smith yamamoto foegele out, which will free up 6.95M
invest approx 1.7375M into each of their replacements

thus torpedoing your team of any depth and making it worse which was my original comment to the original trade.

It makes 0 sense from an oilers perspective to bring in an aging goalie who yes can still play well. it it means having a weaker all around team.
Look at them now... you think removing those players with cheaper replacements is going to be the solution absolutely not.

The oilers have about 5 mill in the cap they can use next year for a starting goalie while still keeping a decent team.

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6 janv. 2022 à 17 h 37

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Quoting: Zuki9797

trade foegele and you're good

No, actually, they're not. Even trading Foegele for nothing coming back (i.e., draft picks or prospects) doesn't allow a 23-man roster, because even if they then trade picks or prospects for a minimum-level contract player ($750,000) with 50% retention ($375,000), they're still $128 over the cap.

The OP has already refuted your second suggestion on practicality grounds.

@mm1010 has proved his thesis: the proposed trade without significant retention by Montreal is impossible. Not disadvantageous, not impractical, but impossible.

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6 janv. 2022 à 17 h 46

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Quoting: RobbStark03

Habs are rebuilding, I dont see what the big deal is. Retain 50% of Price.

Habs are not rebuilding, they will only retool. They can't go more than 2 years without playoffs before the fans start screaming for new management.

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