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Équipe: 2021-22 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 6 janv. 2022
Publié: 6 janv. 2022
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6 janv. 2022 à 4 h 19
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No thanks.
6 janv. 2022 à 5 h 17
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i like him too but thats alot.
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6 janv. 2022 à 8 h 19
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I wouldn't pay that for Sergachev let alone Chychrun.
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6 janv. 2022 à 8 h 49
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Cossa is a non starter. No pun intended.
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6 janv. 2022 à 10 h 2
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Terrible trade for Detroit. Value isn't wrong per se, but that's just bad asset management...
6 janv. 2022 à 10 h 4
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That’s more than Eichel returned.
6 janv. 2022 à 10 h 47
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That’s more than Eichel returned.


How? Tuch and Krebs are far more valuable than anyone in that trade, AND they included a 1st.

This trade prob isn't even enough for ARZ...
6 janv. 2022 à 11 h 1
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Congrats, this is by far the most realistic/equitable Chychrun-DET trade posted on here yet. I would be okay with this as a DET fan, but think ARZ would want some more value.
6 janv. 2022 à 11 h 9
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How? Tuch and Krebs are far more valuable than anyone in that trade, AND they included a 1st.

This trade prob isn't even enough for ARZ...

Krebs >= Cossa
Tuch > Zadina
1st < 1st (Detroit isn’t finishing close to VGK)
2nd < Johansson

I think it’s worth noting I’ve already dissected Chychrun’s stats showing the inflated SH% and oiSH% were outside of career averages thus resulting in a career year last year. Further, the ask is an Eichel like return. I completely understand Arizona doesn’t need to move Chychrun but he isn’t on the same tier as Eichel or have the same track record. Lastly, people blow Eichel’s surgery completely out of context. Yes it hasn’t been used on an NHL player but has been done on a decent amount of professional athletes from physical sports like MMA. You must be extremely high on Chychrun if you think this isn’t enough to get him. The difference in value from Johansson and the firsts definitely bridges the gap between Zadina and Tuch coming from someone who has watched Tuch closely in Vegas.
6 janv. 2022 à 11 h 13
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Quoting: BStinson
Krebs >= Cossa
Tuch > Zadina
1st < 1st (Detroit isn’t finishing close to VGK)
2nd < Johansson

I think it’s worth noting I’ve already dissected Chychrun’s stats showing the inflated SH% and oiSH% were outside of career averages thus resulting in a career year last year. Further, the ask is an Eichel like return. I completely understand Arizona doesn’t need to move Chychrun but he isn’t on the same tier as Eichel or have the same track record. Lastly, people blow Eichel’s surgery completely out of context. Yes it hasn’t been used on an NHL player but has been done on a decent amount of professional athletes from physical sports like MMA. You must be extremely high on Chychrun if you think this isn’t enough to get him. The difference in value from Johansson and the firsts definitely bridges the gap between Zadina and Tuch coming from someone who has watched Tuch closely in Vegas.


I am not that high on Chychrun but it's not about what I think fair value is, it's what ARZ does.

Krebs >>>> Cossa. Krebs is an NHL player lol Cossa is another goalie prospect. Not even remotely close.
Tuch >>>>> Zadina. Not worth mentioning
1sts sure, but that comes with the territory (plus this is top 5 protected)
Johansson has value, naturally, but every NHL organization has at least 2 Johansson's in there system. He's a solid D prospect, he's nothing special at this point.

Why does ARZ trade their best player and cornerstone DMan for that? Whether I am high on him or not is totally irrelevant.
6 janv. 2022 à 11 h 31
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I am not that high on Chychrun but it's not about what I think fair value is, it's what ARZ does.

Krebs >>>> Cossa. Krebs is an NHL player lol Cossa is another goalie prospect. Not even remotely close.
Tuch >>>>> Zadina. Not worth mentioning
1sts sure, but that comes with the territory (plus this is top 5 protected)
Johansson has value, naturally, but every NHL organization has at least 2 Johansson's in there system. He's a solid D prospect, he's nothing special at this point.

Why does ARZ trade their best player and cornerstone DMan for that? Whether I am high on him or not is totally irrelevant.


Krebs currently isn’t an NHL regular. He’s played a total of 3 games with Buffalo and before that he played in Henderson (VGK) & Rochester. If you’re argument is that he has more development than Cossa that’s obvious due to the age difference. What exactly makes him more valuable? They were both drafted slot wise near each other. Like I said Tuch is more valuable than Zadina but again the difference in value between first round picks plus Johansson makes up for it based on my multiple years of watching Tuch. Further Johansson gets great reviews internally by Hakan and unbiased positives reviews by organizations like EP.

Arizona would trade their best player if they determined it would be best for their team direction. They would get more with his term unless you think they could quickly turn this team around. Maybe Chychrun doesn’t care about winning but then again why would Yzerman or any other GM trade for a guy that just wants to golf? Then again maybe Arizona wants to capitalize on that career year I called out.
6 janv. 2022 à 11 h 39
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Krebs currently isn’t an NHL regular. He’s played a total of 3 games with Buffalo and before that he played in Henderson (VGK) & Rochester. If you’re argument is that he has more development than Cossa that’s obvious due to the age difference. What exactly makes him more valuable? They were both drafted slot wise near each other. Like I said Tuch is more valuable than Zadina but again the difference in value between first round picks plus Johansson makes up for it based on my multiple years of watching Tuch. Further Johansson gets great reviews internally by Hakan and unbiased positives reviews by organizations like EP.

Arizona would trade their best player if they determined it would be best for their team direction. They would get more with his term unless you think they could quickly turn this team around. Maybe Chychrun doesn’t care about winning but then again why would Yzerman or any other GM trade for a guy that just wants to golf? Then again maybe Arizona wants to capitalize on that career year I called out.


Krebs was playing full time for the Knights down the middle at 19/20 years of age and will be playing full time for the Sabres in short. Cossa is a goalie prospect - odds of him EVER being an NHL regular are extremely low, simply because of his position.

That's not how picks or trades work - they don't make up value. Plain and simple Zadina has little to no value in the NHL right now. We are stuck with him and hopefully he becomes productive.

Who gives a flying F what Hakan says - when does Hakan not have nice things to say about prospects? Fact is Johansson is just another D prospect. I can sit here and list the plethora of D prospects the WIngs have had in the last 10 years that amounted to nothing, please don't make me do it.

ARZ very well may trade Chychrun, but it will be for legit young NHL talent and/or legit NHL prospects and a 1st. I think the original point I was making anyway is that this is in no way, shape or form more than the return for Eichel.
6 janv. 2022 à 11 h 49
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Krebs was playing full time for the Knights down the middle at 19/20 years of age and will be playing full time for the Sabres in short. Cossa is a goalie prospect - odds of him EVER being an NHL regular are extremely low, simply because of his position.

That's not how picks or trades work - they don't make up value. Plain and simple Zadina has little to no value in the NHL right now. We are stuck with him and hopefully he becomes productive.

Who gives a flying F what Hakan says - when does Hakan not have nice things to say about prospects? Fact is Johansson is just another D prospect. I can sit here and list the plethora of D prospects the WIngs have had in the last 10 years that amounted to nothing, please don't make me do it.

ARZ very well may trade Chychrun, but it will be for legit young NHL talent and/or legit NHL prospects and a 1st. I think the original point I was making anyway is that this is in no way, shape or form more than the return for Eichel.

From someone who recently went to quite a few VGK games I would say your definition of “regular” is off.

Here’s another source just to backup my eyes.
https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20212022&playerid=8481522&sit=5v5&stype=2

Cossa was literally just selected and the FO decided to move up and snag him. I’d trust Detroit’s FO evaluation of yours. His value doesn’t diminish because his position. That doesn’t make sense, unless you think our FO though he was a defensemen/forward.

Which is why I said unbiased organization like EP because I knew you’d think Hakan is biased. If you want to hear that one look up the EP Rinkside episode with Hakan and it was JD Burke + Button. Further, if Hakan didn’t like him then he just wouldn’t say anything about him and talking about the many other Euro prospects.

Sure, trades are all about value. Not every trade is a 1:1, very rare to get a 1:1 like the Jones to CLB trade. Cossa is a legit NHL prospect and there’s a first in there so your last sentence contradicts the offer.
6 janv. 2022 à 12 h 11
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From someone who recently went to quite a few VGK games I would say your definition of “regular” is off.

Here’s another source just to backup my eyes.
https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20212022&playerid=8481522&sit=5v5&stype=2

Cossa was literally just selected and the FO decided to move up and snag him. I’d trust Detroit’s FO evaluation of yours. His value doesn’t diminish because his position. That doesn’t make sense, unless you think our FO though he was a defensemen/forward.

Which is why I said unbiased organization like EP because I knew you’d think Hakan is biased. If you want to hear that one look up the EP Rinkside episode with Hakan and it was JD Burke + Button. Further, if Hakan didn’t like him then he just wouldn’t say anything about him and talking about the many other Euro prospects.

Sure, trades are all about value. Not every trade is a 1:1, very rare to get a 1:1 like the Jones to CLB trade. Cossa is a legit NHL prospect and there’s a first in there so your last sentence contradicts the offer.


Haha dude we can go back and forth all day. Bottom line is you are putting FAR too much stock in our prospects, when in reality they are just as good or bad or promising or not as any other prospect in any other organization in the league. Doesn't matter what Hakan or EP or anyone else says - that's just their opinion. Chychrun will be traded for value that ARZ sees fit, not you or I or Hakan. And as the case is with most young, sought-after Dmen, the price will surely be higher than what is offered here.
6 janv. 2022 à 12 h 34
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Haha dude we can go back and forth all day. Bottom line is you are putting FAR too much stock in our prospects, when in reality they are just as good or bad or promising or not as any other prospect in any other organization in the league. Doesn't matter what Hakan or EP or anyone else says - that's just their opinion. Chychrun will be traded for value that ARZ sees fit, not you or I or Hakan. And as the case is with most young, sought-after Dmen, the price will surely be higher than what is offered here.

Again, I mapped it out to an existing comparable trade that Arizona asked in the rumors reported by multiple outlets. There isn’t any going back and forth when you haven’t rebuttals for my logic. I posted an analysis backed with quantitive data and some logic. I’m not a mind reader nor am I going to assume what Arizona is going to value out of everyone’s prospect pool because it fluctuates from each professional. I leverage what I see, expert opinion, and logic so not sure how that’s “overrating” Detroit’s prospects. Did I say Cossa is a future Vezina winner and likewise for Johansson with Norris? No, I’ve routinely said I could see Johansson translating into a 3-4D if he develops to his potential which is backed by multiple scouting agencies. Devaluing Cossa immediately after the draft because his position is an odd one for sure.
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Again, I mapped it out to an existing comparable trade that Arizona asked in the rumors reported by multiple outlets. There isn’t any going back and forth when you haven’t rebuttals for my logic. I posted an analysis backed with quantitive data and some logic. I’m not a mind reader nor am I going to assume what Arizona is going to value out of everyone’s prospect pool because it fluctuates from each professional. I leverage what I see, expert opinion, and logic so not sure how that’s “overrating” Detroit’s prospects. Did I say Cossa is a future Vezina winner and likewise for Johansson with Norris? No, I’ve routinely said I could see Johansson translating into a 3-4D if he develops to his potential which is backed by multiple scouting agencies. Devaluing Cossa immediately after the draft because his position is an odd one for sure.


lol what? You said this trade is more than the Eichel return - that's categorically false for very obvious reasons.

ARZ is rumored to be looking for an Eichel-like return at the moment. Not only is that too high of a price, but the trade above is not that, aside from the 1st. That is all.
6 janv. 2022 à 12 h 58
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lol what? You said this trade is more than the Eichel return - that's categorically false for very obvious reasons.

ARZ is rumored to be looking for an Eichel-like return at the moment. Not only is that too high of a price, but the trade above is not that, aside from the 1st. That is all.

What are the obvious reasons as I’ve already mapped it out and provided sources. The offer above is comparable to the Eichel return. You just think your opinion is worth more than those that get paid for it and have loose definitions.

Yeah, Johansson and Cossa are chopped liver I get it.
6 janv. 2022 à 13 h 7
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What are the obvious reasons as I’ve already mapped it out and provided sources. The offer above is comparable to the Eichel return. You just think your opinion is worth more than those that get paid for it and have loose definitions.

Yeah, Johansson and Cossa are chopped liver I get it.


Ok, so you agree with me, it's not more than the Eichel return (not really comparable either). Got it, good.

Johansson and Cossa are run of the mill prospects, like several other prospects across 32 NHL organizations. Not difficult to understand. I can find positive opinions and "sources" on all of them lol. ARZ isn't trading Chychrun for that, at this moment in time. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
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Ok, so you agree with me, it's not more than the Eichel return (not really comparable either). Got it, good.

Johansson and Cossa are run of the mill prospects, like several other prospects across 32 NHL organizations. Not difficult to understand. I can find positive opinions and "sources" on all of them lol. ARZ isn't trading Chychrun for that, at this moment in time. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Got it your trolling. There’s nothing you can help me understand because you haven’t said anything other than your opinion which isn’t true or even rebuttal mine. Just because you say something doesn’t mean it comes fruition. Is this Mike’s burner account?
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6 janv. 2022 à 15 h 20
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Got it your trolling. There’s nothing you can help me understand because you haven’t said anything other than your opinion which isn’t true or even rebuttal mine. Just because you say something doesn’t mean it comes fruition. Is this Mike’s burner account?


Quoting: Datsyukian
Ok, so you agree with me, it's not more than the Eichel return (not really comparable either). Got it, good.

Johansson and Cossa are run of the mill prospects, like several other prospects across 32 NHL organizations. Not difficult to understand. I can find positive opinions and "sources" on all of them lol. ARZ isn't trading Chychrun for that, at this moment in time. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.


Ya your "Cossa is a run of the mill prospect" take is a wild one. Cossa was just drafted 15th overall. Teams don't draft goalies that high unless they have legitimate starter potential. Arizona also doesn't have a goalie of the future in their system so he makes organizational sense for them.

Zadina certainly doesn't hold the value he had 2 years ago but he's still a 22yr old playing 15minutes a night with upside potential so he's a decent piece. You're right on Johansson that he's nothing special however he is still a decent defense prospect that could absolutely become an everyday nhler in the near future.

And Krebs was absolutely not playing full time at 19/20. Hes played 13 games as a 20yr old averaging 13 minutes a night and has 1 assist. For comparison, at the same age Zadina had played 37 games averaging 15 minutes a night and had 18pts.
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Ya your "Cossa is a run of the mill prospect" take is a wild one. Cossa was just drafted 15th overall. Teams don't draft goalies that high unless they have legitimate starter potential. Arizona also doesn't have a goalie of the future in their system so he makes organizational sense for them.

Zadina certainly doesn't hold the value he had 2 years ago but he's still a 22yr old playing 15minutes a night with upside potential so he's a decent piece. You're right on Johansson that he's nothing special however he is still a decent defense prospect that could absolutely become an everyday nhler in the near future.

And Krebs was absolutely not playing full time at 19/20. Hes played 13 games as a 20yr old averaging 13 minutes a night and has 1 assist. For comparison, at the same age Zadina had played 37 games averaging 15 minutes a night and had 18pts.


Keep in mind I said this is the most realistic/equitable trade for Chychrun yet. Krebs was an NHLer at 19/20 on a STACKED Vegas team, yes he was. Zadina has visibly struggled to produce at the NHL level since day 1 - apples and oranges.

Listen, you can keep telling yourself that, but Cossa is just another solid goalie prospect and goalies are ALWAYS major unknowns - he does not hold much value at this point. He didn't even start for Canada at the WJC. Cossa was drafted at 15 and Zadina was drafted 6th - clearly draft position doesn't mean much if you can't put it together. Most goalies can't or don't. That's just how it works.

I don't see ARZ trading Chychrun for a bunch of question marks (Zadina, Cossa, Johansson). This is such a simple concept haha
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Keep in mind I said this is the most realistic/equitable trade for Chychrun yet. Krebs was an NHLer at 19/20 on a STACKED Vegas team, yes he was. Zadina has visibly struggled to produce at the NHL level since day 1 - apples and oranges.

Listen, you can keep telling yourself that, but Cossa is just another solid goalie prospect and goalies are ALWAYS major unknowns - he does not hold much value at this point. He didn't even start for Canada at the WJC. Cossa was drafted at 15 and Zadina was drafted 6th - clearly draft position doesn't mean much if you can't put it together. Most goalies can't or don't. That's just how it works.

I don't see ARZ trading Chychrun for a bunch of question marks (Zadina, Cossa, Johansson). This is such a simple concept haha


IMO you're overvaluing Krebs and undervaluing Cossa. Also Krebs never played a game as a 19yr old. He was 20 when he played his first game.
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IMO you're overvaluing Krebs and undervaluing Cossa. Also Krebs never played a game as a 19yr old. He was 20 when he played his first game.


Am I? Krebs was just included in a trade for one of the best players in the World....Cossa is just a recent draft pick that has a lot of developing to do. Not that this really matters all that much, but he wasn't even supposed to be the first goalie off the board - Stevie went ahead and pulled a Seider-like move. If anything you are highly overvaluing Cossa, at this point.
 
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