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What it will take to acquire Ben Chiarot before the Habs fly home from Florida

Créé par: sensonfire
Équipe: 2021-22 Panthers de la Floride
Date de création initiale: 1 janv. 2022
Publié: 1 janv. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
FLA
  1. Chiarot, Ben (750 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Andrej Sekera trade from February 2015 is used as precedent.
MTL
  1. Nause, Evan [Liste de réserve]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
Détails additionnels:
No Lottery Protection
Rachats de contrats
Frais appliqués
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $77 027 955 $0 $1 700 000 $4 472 045 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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5 900 000 $5 900 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 2
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4 425 000 $4 425 000 $
C
UFA - 4
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
5 900 000 $5 900 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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975 000 $975 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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2 533 333 $2 533 333 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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800 000 $800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
RFA - 3
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5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
2 666 667 $2 666 667 $
DG
UFA - 3
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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750 000 $750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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897 500 $897 500 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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2 700 000 $2 700 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
1 666 667 $1 666 667 $
C, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
725 000 $725 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance1 850 000 $$2M)
G
RFA - 2
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858 750 $858 750 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
RFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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1 janv. 2022 à 21 h 22
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We have a billion left handed d prospects. A first and 3 probably gets the deal done. Id assume the pick is this year as the draft is Montreal and for Florida they're draft position is more certain this year
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1 janv. 2022 à 21 h 30
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Chiarot retained for a 1st and Puutio.
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1 janv. 2022 à 21 h 34
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Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
We have a billion left handed d prospects. A first and 3 probably gets the deal done. Id assume the pick is this year as the draft is Montreal and for Florida they're draft position is more certain this year


The 1st round pick is for 2023 and has no lottery protection like in the Sekera trade.

Florida traded away its 2022 1st to Buffalo.

It will need to be for 2023.



I just happened to hear what Pierre Lebrun had to say about Florida's interest in Chiarot.

Also, the fact that the draft is in Montreal should have absolutely no bearing on the value that Montreal gets from any trade.
1 janv. 2022 à 22 h 0
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The 1st round pick is for 2023 and has no lottery protection like in the Sekera trade.

Florida traded away its 2022 1st to Buffalo.

It will need to be for 2023.



I just happened to hear what Pierre Lebrun had to say about Florida's interest in Chiarot.

Also, the fact that the draft is in Montreal should have absolutely no bearing on the value that Montreal gets from any trade.


how'd I forget they gave up the pick.
also I mentioned the draft being in Montreal because they might want the pick in 2022 so they could have multiple picks at home. Now they might target a 23 draft pick as next years draft looks insane, and odds are even later in the draft will be strong, who knows
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1 janv. 2022 à 22 h 49
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Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
how'd I forget they gave up the pick.
also I mentioned the draft being in Montreal because they might want the pick in 2022 so they could have multiple picks at home. Now they might target a 23 draft pick as next years draft looks insane, and odds are even later in the draft will be strong, who knows


They will want a 2022 1st rounder. What easier way to sell the fanbase on the new direction than some early nice high end prospects. The habs 2nd round pick will likely be around 35th so if you can acquire a 1st you can either potentially have 3 picks inn the first 40 OR use that 2nd round pick to push that 1st up higher in the first round.
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1 janv. 2022 à 23 h 12
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The 1st round pick is for 2023 and has no lottery protection like in the Sekera trade.

Florida traded away its 2022 1st to Buffalo.

It will need to be for 2023.



I just happened to hear what Pierre Lebrun had to say about Florida's interest in Chiarot.

Also, the fact that the draft is in Montreal should have absolutely no bearing on the value that Montreal gets from any trade.


I like and agree with getting a 23 1st, Florida is not guaranteed to make the playoffs next year so having 2 shots at Bedard and company would be worth it. We could always trade Toffoli or Drouin (retained) to get another 1st in 22 but I would rather have our pick this year and a couple of shots next year.
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Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
how'd I forget they gave up the pick.
also I mentioned the draft being in Montreal because they might want the pick in 2022 so they could have multiple picks at home. Now they might target a 23 draft pick as next years draft looks insane, and odds are even later in the draft will be strong, who knows


The one time they brought the draft to New Jersey, we had the #9 pick. Lou traded it one the floor.

What a way to kill the room.

(2013, to VAN for Cory Schneider)
1 janv. 2022 à 23 h 56
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Still think Florida should go get chyrunn, and kessel, kind of there all in push
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2 janv. 2022 à 0 h 43
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No thanks, Chiarot is not very good
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2 janv. 2022 à 2 h 20
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Why is there any sort of interest in Chiarot? The guy isn't good at all. He's a bottom pair guy being forced into a top pairing role and hardly staying afloat. He's physical but doesn't help your team generate offense nor does he defend well. He's paid 3.5M and isn't worth anything near that. I wouldn't trade a 5th for him as you can probably find better and cheaper players on the waiver wire. Im baffled as to why the general consensus is that he is worth a 1st rounder
2 janv. 2022 à 3 h 12
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Why is there any sort of interest in Chiarot? The guy isn't good at all. He's a bottom pair guy being forced into a top pairing role and hardly staying afloat. He's physical but doesn't help your team generate offense nor does he defend well. He's paid 3.5M and isn't worth anything near that. I wouldn't trade a 5th for him as you can probably find better and cheaper players on the waiver wire. Im baffled as to why the general consensus is that he is worth a 1st rounder


Try playing against him two nights in a row, or even every other night. There's a reason teams want physicality in the playoffs. It's an element that is a little overrated, but it exists because it's well known the whistles go away.
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Try playing against him two nights in a row, or even every other night. There's a reason teams want physicality in the playoffs. It's an element that is a little overrated, but it exists because it's well known the whistles go away.


He might be physical but he also allows the other team to score a couple goals and doesn't help his team score anything. At the end of the day hockey is won by scoring goals and preventing goals against not by who can feed the opposition the most crosschecks to the spine
2 janv. 2022 à 4 h 15
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I don't get why the asking price for Chiarot just keeps going up. A 1st would be a highway robbery for the Habs

Also, the Sekera trade is not a good comparison, as he had just had a breakout season of 44 points in 74 games
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2023 1st and Sourdif
2 janv. 2022 à 8 h 6
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He might be physical but he also allows the other team to score a couple goals and doesn't help his team score anything. At the end of the day hockey is won by scoring goals and preventing goals against not by who can feed the opposition the most crosschecks to the spine


You asked why there is interest in him. He's not a statistical darling.
2 janv. 2022 à 9 h 12
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I don't get why the asking price for Chiarot just keeps going up. A 1st would be a highway robbery for the Habs

Also, the Sekera trade is not a good comparison, as he had just had a breakout season of 44 points in 74 games


1. It's not that the asking price for Chiarot just keeps going up.

Multiple teams are rumoured to be in on Chiarot.


For instance, Elliotte Friedman speculated a while ago that the Edmonton Oilers might pay a 1st for Chiarot.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2913073


And now, Pierre Lebrun has said that the Panthers really want Chiarot as well.

https://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/canadiens-ben-chiarot-convoite-par-les-panthers-et-bien-d-autres-1.15259950



2. Before being traded, Sekera's point production plummeted to 19 points in 57 games.

A far cry from his breakout season the year before.

Also, point production is not the reason why teams will be offering a 1st for Chiarot.

David Savard is another example who had extremely poor point production with a team in the basement, but was still traded for a 1st.
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2 janv. 2022 à 9 h 46
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1. It's not that the asking price for Chiarot just keeps going up.

Multiple teams are rumoured to be in on Chiarot.


For instance, Elliotte Friedman speculated a while ago that the Edmonton Oilers might pay a 1st for Chiarot.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2913073


And now, Pierre Lebrun has said that the Panthers really want Chiarot as well.

https://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/canadiens-ben-chiarot-convoite-par-les-panthers-et-bien-d-autres-1.15259950



2. Before being traded, Sekera's point production plummeted to 19 points in 57 games.

A far cry from his breakout season the year before.

Also, point production is not the reason why teams will be offering a 1st for Chiarot.

David Savard is another example who had extremely poor point production with a team in the basement, but was still traded for a 1st.


Even though Sekera's point production dipped, he had more points in his last 57 games as a Cane than Chiarot has in the last 2 seasons combined.

David Savard didn't have a lot of points, but he did have great defensive underlying numbers. Chiarot, however, does not. Also, Nause (2nd round pick last draft) and a 1st is much more than what Savard was traded for.

A few teams being interested in Chiarot might drive his price to be the rumored 1st (which in itself is a massive overpay), but no team is spending a 1st and a 2nd
 
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